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    So to start, I've had Claire (originally named Roland because I couldn't sex a gecko to save my life) for nearly a year. She's always been a shy one and only moves around for food, water, waste, and to switch hides. Heat, humidity are all good as well as type/# hides and space required.

    She usually sticks to a staple diet of Dubia Roaches, but lately she has been particularly picky for the past week. Now I know she shed a few days ago, but her appetite has always been rather consistent a day before and after shedding, even if only a few morsels.

    Given that she is/or nearly is a year old, she is only 30 grams and still growing. I feed her daily but she will refuse about 2 meals per week (which is normal), I simply try everyday because she hasn't reached her maximum size/growing age and I am trying to make sure she gets her weekly supplements (all ZooMed brand recommended by others).

    Claire recently turned her nose to dubia and I'm sure it's because she prefers the crickets I briefly re-introduced to help her gain weight. Problem is, she is not the fastest hunter and is the proven statistic regarding predator success rates (bless her heart). Often times, she's a tweezer feeder, but certain bugs she does not like being held (IE. crickets).

    Another downer is she absolutely despises worms of any kind. I have had (and currently have) a leo who loves worms, especially caterpillars! Claire on the other hand, partially opens her mouth in disgust, almost like a silent hiss, and walks away.

    I won't bother with superworms because they bite and she already has her reservations. Waxworms have also proven a dud when shown for a treat, and will never be a staple regardless.

    I'm hoping someone has a feeder insect in mind that I haven't thought of. I'm tempted to try green roaches (for eye catching), but I hope another herpy might have a better alternative with a link to a good supplier.

    At any rate, I'm sure its probably nothing. Her appetite may pick back up by next week and she'll be back to her voracious chomping. Heck, she could be trying to ovulate since that time of year is coming for her, (though she will spend the season single for her own safety). I figured I'd ask anyway because second opinions never hurt.

    Thanks in advance!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrGreatScott View Post
    So to start, I've had Claire (originally named Roland because I couldn't sex a gecko to save my life) for nearly a year. She's always been a shy one and only moves around for food, water, waste, and to switch hides. Heat, humidity are all good as well as type/# hides and space required.

    She usually sticks to a staple diet of Dubia Roaches, but lately she has been particularly picky for the past week. Now I know she shed a few days ago, but her appetite has always been rather consistent a day before and after shedding, even if only a few morsels.

    Given that she is/or nearly is a year old, she is only 30 grams and still growing. I feed her daily but she will refuse about 2 meals per week (which is normal), I simply try everyday because she hasn't reached her maximum size/growing age and I am trying to make sure she gets her weekly supplements (all ZooMed brand recommended by others).

    Claire recently turned her nose to dubia and I'm sure it's because she prefers the crickets I briefly re-introduced to help her gain weight. Problem is, she is not the fastest hunter and is the proven statistic regarding predator success rates (bless her heart). Often times, she's a tweezer feeder, but certain bugs she does not like being held (IE. crickets).

    Another downer is she absolutely despises worms of any kind. I have had (and currently have) a leo who loves worms, especially caterpillars! Claire on the other hand, partially opens her mouth in disgust, almost like a silent hiss, and walks away.

    I won't bother with superworms because they bite and she already has her reservations. Waxworms have also proven a dud when shown for a treat, and will never be a staple regardless.

    I'm hoping someone has a feeder insect in mind that I haven't thought of. I'm tempted to try green roaches (for eye catching), but I hope another herpy might have a better alternative with a link to a good supplier.

    At any rate, I'm sure its probably nothing. Her appetite may pick back up by next week and she'll be back to her voracious chomping. Heck, she could be trying to ovulate since that time of year is coming for her, (though she will spend the season single for her own safety). I figured I'd ask anyway because second opinions never hurt.

    Thanks in advance!
    Have you tried silkworms and hornworms? Iíve only had one so Iím not super knowledgeable with these guys , but at least ours ate them viciously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sg612 View Post
    Have you tried silkworms and hornworms? I’ve only had one so I’m not super knowledgeable with these guys , but at least ours ate them viciously.
    Yes, I have. That's what I meant by caterpillars (hornworms). My Leo loves them to death, Claire hates all things worm.
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    Given that she is/or nearly is a year old, she is only 30 grams and still growing. I feed her daily but she will refuse about 2 meals per week (which is normal), I simply try everyday because she hasn't reached her maximum size/growing age and I am trying to make sure she gets her weekly supplements (all ZooMed brand recommended by others).

    Claire recently turned her nose to dubia and I'm sure it's because she prefers the crickets I briefly re-introduced to help her gain weight. Problem is, she is not the fastest hunter and is the proven statistic regarding predator success rates (bless her heart). Often times, she's a tweezer feeder, but certain bugs she does not like being held (IE. crickets).

    Another downer is she absolutely despises worms of any kind. I have had (and currently have) a leo who loves worms, especially caterpillars! Claire on the other hand, partially opens her mouth in disgust, almost like a silent hiss, and walks away.
    Would Claire eat crickets from a feeder bowl on her own time? Amputate the crickets' back legs right below their "knees". That slows them down and keeps them in the bowl.

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    /\ I feed my leo Cha this way always.

    She'd still get her Zoo Med supplements as per Schedule 124.

    Weekly Schedule 124 for Leopard Geckos 0-12 months old
    (without UVB)

    • Crickets or dubia >> Monday - lightly dusted with Zoo Med Repti Calcium with D3
    • Mealworms >> Tuesday
    • Crickets or dubia >> Wednesday - lightly dusted with pure precipitated calcium carbonate (Zoo Med's Repti Calcium or NOW human brand calcium) without D3
    • Crickets or dubia >> Thursday
    • Crickets or dubia >> Friday - lightly dusted with Zoo Med ReptiVite multivitamins without D3
    • Mealworms >> Saturday
    • No food or free choice >> Sunday
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    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrGreatScott View Post
    Yes, I have. That's what I meant by caterpillars (hornworms). My Leo loves them to death, Claire hates all things worm.
    Did you take a look at her abdomen for a pink circle? What’s the humidity in the enclosure?
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    Hey Liz! How'd soaking the beardie pellets go for you?

    She's always been rather dismissive of food bowls (despite my best efforts) though I'll give it another shot and see how it fares. I do also break the legs on my crickets, she's just not very graceful a hunter. It's really adorable.

    Also, I have been doing my best to follow your supplement schedule after I read it months back. I have, however, started to leave a small amount of Ca w/o D3 out in place of it in her weekly dose because she will actively seek calcium at times when it is absent. Given she is still growing and it is technically her first mating season (though she will not breed), there is a male gecko in another enclosure in the same room. Pheromones can sometimes trigger ovulation, and rarer still, egg laying.

    And to answer other questions, no noticeable pink spots and humidity fluctuates around the 50s. She has two warm hides (one i mist often) and a cool moist hide she loves to hide in, I use moss for moisture absorbent in the cool hide, though I may switch to eco-earth or some other recommended brand in-case she tries to lay gravid for some odd reason.

    A small update here on feeding though, she did take two decent sized roaches today! So hopefully she's just been extra dismissive. To be fair, she is almost a year old anyway, so her appetite should be gradually decreasing post feed days.

    However, I still want to find other alternative insect for her that are not worm based, since she will turn away like a child refusing green beans. I think someone mentioned [NAME NOT FOUND] in another post, but I cannot find it for the life of me.

    So at this point if anyone has some interesting insects to try, possibly with a supplement breakdown compared to dubia, I'm all ears.

    Thanks again!
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    Dubia, crickets, or (worms)! What about beetles? I know some leos have gobbled down silkworm moths! Maybe when Claire grows up she could eat these moths?

    Have you seen this chart?

    For 52 click: Silkworm Guidelines I
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    Right now she eats sub-adult roaches with ease, so I could certainly see her trying moths! What sort of beetles did you have in mind? Oh and I did find a while back that she at least tolerates mealworms in the pupa stage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrGreatScott View Post
    Right now she eats sub-adult roaches with ease, so I could certainly see her trying moths! What sort of beetles did you have in mind? Oh and I did find a while back that she at least tolerates mealworms in the pupa stage.
    : Mealworm beetles? They seem quite chitinous. Bean beetles?

    Both good. Maybe Claire would like BSFL?

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    Your Post on Phoenix Worms was very helpful (I ordered some on the hopes she'll try some, but I have one question: Would you still dust with Calcium once a week despite their high Ca content or disregard?
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