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    Question Possible crypto or MBD in African Fat Tail?


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    Will be receiving an African Fat Tail soon from a friend who is aware she hasn't taken good care of him and wants him to have a better life.
    He's small, very thin, and between 10-15 years old.
    When they got him from a pet store many years ago, he had no tail and was already very thin. He never gained a lot of weight despite eating often.
    They have always fed Calcium without D3 as far as I'm aware. He does not receive much natural light.
    We'll be getting him within a few days, and since I'm unsure on what his condition is he'll be going straight to my boyfriends house, as I have many reptiles and he has none.

    - Is crypto always a death sentence? I have read they do not always die and may remain carriers of the disease.
    - I know geckos can not process calcium without D3, could this lead to being malnourished, or even MBD?

    When we get him, we'll be letting him settle in for a few weeks, and then take him to the vet for a crypto test and a general appointment on his overall health.

    Thanks.

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    Welcome to Geckos Unlimited!

    Without some vitamin D3 source a gecko will surely get MBD. MBD is reversable, but needs to be remedied early on.

    • What powdered supplements do you have for this AFT?
    • Please share a video of this guy walking around or at least a photo of his whole body. MBD is easy to detect. That will help us immensely.
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 09-25-2019 at 07:02 PM.
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    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)
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    Was just able to upload this. I have calcium with and without D3. I was going to keep a dish of Calcium with D3 in his tank at all times, his tank will also be near a window so he will be getting some good ol' natural sunshine.

    For the Calcium without D3 I currently have Zoo Meds Reptivite without D3.
    For the Calcium WITH D3 I have ZooMeds Repi Calcium with D3.

    I'm wondering as well if it would be okay to keep a dish of mealworms (that they can't escape from) in his tank at all times?

    He's also missing a foot due to shedding issues. I don't believe they have adequate humidity levels.
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    Just want to make sure it's clear, he's not currently in my care. I'll be getting him hopefully Friday. We'll be switching him onto paper towel, with a hot hide, humid hide, and a cooler side hide.

    Was going to keep the D3 dish until he gains a few pounds. We'll be weighing him so we know how he's progressing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessbles View Post


    Was just able to upload this. I have calcium with and without D3. I was going to keep a dish of Calcium with D3 in his tank at all times, his tank will also be near a window so he will be getting some good ol' natural sunshine.

    For the Calcium without D3 I currently have Zoo Meds Reptivite without D3.
    For the Calcium WITH D3 I have ZooMeds Repi Calcium with D3.


    I'm wondering as well if it would be okay to keep a dish of mealworms (that they can't escape from) in his tank at all times?

    He's also missing a foot due to shedding issues. I don't believe they have adequate humidity levels.
    Don't keep D3 calcium in his enclosure 24/7. Window glass blocks any beneficial UVB. An enclosure could overheat, if it sits near a window.

    Is this AFT the AFT you'll be receiving?

    Those Zoo Med supplements are excellent! Vitamin D3 is fat soluble. That means one dose sticks around in a gecko's body for about 1 week. D3 is NOT flushed out when a gecko pees. So, if your AFT is eating lightly dusted prey, that should be enough D3 per week. That powder sticks better to crickets than to mealworms. Then I recommend:
    • Lightly dusted prey with D3 at 1 feeding per week.
    • Lightly dusted prey with plain calcium @ 1 feeding per week.
    • Lightly dusted prey with Zoo Med's Reptivite multivitamins withOUT D3 @ 1 feeding per week.

    Is your AFT eating? When you receive him, make a paste of your D3 calcium + water. Place a little on his snout. See whether he'll lick it off.
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 09-25-2019 at 08:00 PM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    That's a really easy schedule to remember, I'll ensure we do the dustings for those, we'll assign a day for each.

    He does eat apparently, and she (my friend) dusts them without D3 every time she feeds as far as I know. Supposedly the other day he ate 10 crickets, she just has to assist by holding the cricket for him to eat. Now only recently has she been putting in the effort to feed him often, so I'm unsure if he's able to gain weight or not.

    I've also decided to name him Oscar!

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    Aliza checks in frequently. She has AFTs. I've never kept them.

    @acpart
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
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    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessbles View Post
    That's a really easy schedule to remember, I'll ensure we do the dustings for those, we'll assign a day for each.

    He does eat apparently, and she (my friend) dusts them without D3 every time she feeds as far as I know. Supposedly the other day he ate 10 crickets, she just has to assist by holding the cricket for him to eat. Now only recently has she been putting in the effort to feed him often, so I'm unsure if he's able to gain weight or not.

    I've also decided to name him Oscar!
    Make sure you saw my last edits to post 5. Oscar's MBD may not be all that advanced.

    Which brand supplement does your friend use for Oscar's prey?
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 09-25-2019 at 07:55 PM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    Read your edits! She uses ZooMed ReptiCalcium without D3.

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    What's done has been done. When you get the AFT:
    start dusting his food with calcium with D3 weekly
    as soon as you feel you can, take him to the vet for a crypto test (see below)
    keep him quarantined from your reptiles. If it's possible to have him at your boyfriend's until the results of the crypto test come in, do that. If not, keep him as far from the other reptiles as possible and handle/feed him last. Wash hands well after handling.

    I, unfortunately, now have a crypto positive population. Most of my geckos look fat and healthy. Every now and then, one starts to lose weight and passes away. I didn't lose any for over a year (they were diagnosed about 2 1/2 years ago) and then lost 2 a few months ago. Even the fat and healthy looking ones are crypto positive. They may live for years, but things may also change.

    Aliza

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