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    Default Wild caught AFT not eating since 4/13


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    General Information
    Species of lizard: African fat tailed gecko
    Gecko's name: Kitana
    Morph: normal, white stripe
    Gender: female
    Age: unknown
    Weight: 19 grams
    Total length: 4”
    Length of your reptile when you first acquired it: 4”
    Source (pet store, breeder, previous owner): breeder
    Captive bred or wild caught: wild caught

    Vivarium
    Enclosure dimensions (length x width x heighth): 20 gallon long
    Cage (type, size): aquarium with screen top
    Substrate provided: paper towel
    Types of hiding places provided: big and tall warm hide, humid hide, half circle log to go under
    Is there a humidity hide? location? yes, cool side with sphagnum moss
    Please describe any other furnishings: fake plants and a rock
    List recent changes in the environment, if any: none

    Lighting
    Artificial lighting
    Incandescent (“screw-in” bulbs): wattage(s): none
    Fluorescent (tube bulbs): none
    Access to ambient daylight from a distant window: yes, blinds open 24/7 for natural cycle

    Heating
    Do you have a thermometer(s) in the cage? yes on heating pad and for air temp
    What type and brand of thermometer (digital with probe, temperature gun, LCD strip, analog (circle), combo digital thermometer/hygrometer, stainless steel aquarim type, other): digital prob thermostat for heating pad and analog for air
    What is the ground temperature right on the substrate under the warm dry hide: 90-93
    What is the air temperature on the warm end about 4 inches up from the ground: 80
    What is the air temperature on the cool end about 4 inches up from the ground: 70
    What device(s) are used to maintain the temperature (Under Tank Heater, heat light, ceramic heat emitter, Flexwatt heat tape, hot rock, other): UTH
    Ventilation space for your UTH by elevating the tank above the shelf (some UTHs come with sticky feet for the tank corners):
    Are you using a thermostat(s)? 1/2 inch space
    Which hide does she/he spend most of her time? warm hide
    Is the temperature decreased at night? by how much? no, stays same

    Humidity
    Is the humidity measured? yes
    Humidity range: 30-40%, increases with misting to 60%

    Diet
    Insects and worms, list type: Dubia roaches, mealworms, hornworms, dried calcium worms, waxworms
    Regular diet fed to the insects and worms: carrots, potato, apples
    Are the insects and worms formally “gutloaded” 1-2 days prior to feeding off to your gecko? If so with? yes
    How often do you feed your gecko? attempt to daily, other AFT is fed every other day, leopard is every third day
    Please list any supplements (with brand names) used. How are they given and how often? RepiCal with D3 and Fluker multivitamin
    What calcium brand are you using? with D3, without or both both
    Is the calcium in the tank with D3 or without? without
    Multivitamins (include brand name)? Flukers
    Please list any recent additions/changes in the diet: Dubia roaches were previously being given the blue water gel by Flukers and that is when Kitana seemed to stop eating them. She will not eat any other bug I’ve ever offered her no matter how many times I try. She honestly seems scared of worms.

    General Health
    If your gecko is sick, please describe the signs and how long your gecko has been showing these signs: has not eaten anything at all since April 13th and will sniff the food but then walk away
    Is your gecko’s general activity level normal, decreased, or increased? Normal
    Is your gecko’s appetite normal, decreased, or increased? non-existant
    Have you noticed any of the following?
    Weight (loss or gain): 1gram loss, was at 20 grams when I got her in March 13, 2020
    Discharge from the eyes or nose: no
    Increased breathing rate or effort: no
    Change in the droppings: less frequent, was green one time
    Urate
    ---white or yellowish: white
    ---size of urates as compared to size of feces: same size
    Abnormal skin color or shedding: seems like she has shed once and looks more dull in color since she stopped eating
    Parasites on the skin or in the feces: no
    Weakness: no

    Previous problems and/or illnesses: Unknown

    Other Critters in Same Cage or in Household
    List other animals that are kept in the same cage: none, all are in their own cages
    Recent acquisitions (new pets within the past 6 months): all are within last six months
    Are any of your other pets ill? no

    Even without Kitana eating for the last two weeks, her activity is the same and when I take her out, she still climbs around at the same rate of speed and doesn’t seem sluggish. Her tail has not gotten noticeably smaller and she is still continuing to drink from her bowl daily. She climbs in her humid hide more frequently.

    I’ve tried Reptiboost once and she took about 0.1ml but didn’t help her to eat but she seemed to be zooming around the cage that night with a lot of energy. I also tried some CarnivoreCare that she loved and still no eating. Should I continue trying to supplement? Should I try some Repashy grub pie? Any other suggestions are welcomed.

    I also have two UVB lights from previous reptiles that I was considering trying. I have a Reptisun T5.0 tube that will go the length of the cage and then one fixture with two coil bulbs that would be a little less intense for her. Thoughts on that?

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    If she's wild caught and 4" long and you got her from a breeder would I be correct to assume that the breeder got her from an importer? If so, can you find out if the breeder had them seen by a vet and wormed before selling them? I have had AFT's for years and bred them. I find that sometimes for no good reason they go off their food (this happened with hatchlings who started losing weight and it was pretty frightening until I got them started again). For many of m AFT's I would hold them and poke a feeder in their mouths. AFT's generally don't want to eat worms and seem to prefer crickets and roaches, though I have had AFT's that would eat super worms. I recommend seeing if you can feed her that way or squishing up a cricket to see if she'll eat the guts. In my opinion that's better than getting her hooked on a puree food. Being nocturnal, I didn't use lights for AFT's unless they were in a planted tank in which case the lights were for the plants.

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    Yes, imported and I was advised that she was wormed upon purchasing her. I will do some bug squishing today and see if that helps her.

    The one night I left some freeze dried crickets in her cage that I had from a previous reptile and she did pick one up in her mouth and it looked like she wasn’t able to crunch it. Once I realized how big it was the next day, I noticed that she never would have been able to eat it and felt like an idiot who teased her!

    I put her on the scale last night and she has actually went down to 18 grams from the 20 grams I got her at on March 13

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    Diet
    Insects and worms, list type: Dubia roaches, mealworms, hornworms, dried calcium worms, waxworms
    Regular diet fed to the insects and worms: carrots, potato, apples
    Are the insects and worms formally “gutloaded” 1-2 days prior to feeding off to your gecko? If so with? yes
    How often do you feed your gecko? attempt to daily, other AFT is fed every other day, leopard is every third day
    Please list any supplements (with brand names) used. How are they given and how often? RepiCal with D3 and Fluker multivitamin
    What calcium brand are you using? with D3, without or both both
    Is the calcium in the tank with D3 or without? without
    Multivitamins (include brand name)? Flukers
    Please list any recent additions/changes in the diet: Dubia roaches were previously being given the blue water gel by Flukers and that is when Kitana seemed to stop eating them. She will not eat any other bug I’ve ever offered her no matter how many times I try. She honestly seems scared of worms.
    I’ve tried Reptiboost once and she took about 0.1ml but didn’t help her to eat but she seemed to be zooming around the cage that night with a lot of energy. I also tried some CarnivoreCare that she loved and still no eating. Should I continue trying to supplement? Should I try some Repashy grub pie? Any other suggestions are welcomed.
    I recommend skipping any waxworms. Provide a good dry diet for the insects and worms like Professional Reptiles' "Pro Gutload". Your other geckos will benefit too.

    "RepiCal with D3": Which brand? How often do you use each supplement?

    Gutload Ingredients for Bugs & Worms......thanks to Olimpia -- August 2013

    "A commercial gut loading food like Bug Burger or Superload (both by Repashy), Cricket Crack, Dinofuel, etc. is going to make your life easier AND provide a nutritious diet to your crickets at the same time. Avoid Fluker's gutloads, as they are super feeble in their formulas.

    "If you opt for making your own gutload at home, here is a list of great ingredients to use:
    Best: mustard greens, turnip greens, dandelion flowers & leaves, collard greens, escarole lettuce, papaya, watercress, and alfalfa.
    Good: sweet potato, carrots, oranges, mango, butternut squash, kale, apples, beet greens, blackberries, bok choy, and green beans.
    Dry food: bee pollen, organic non-salted sunflower seeds, spirulina, dried seaweed, flax seed, and organic non-salted almonds.
    Avoid as much as possible: potatoes, cabbage, iceberg lettuce, romaine lettuce, spinach, broccoli, tomatoes, corn, grains, beans, oats, bread, cereal, meat, eggs, dog food, cat food, fish food, canned or dead insects, vertebrates."
    How long did you try Carnivore Care? How about continuing Carnivore Care for a while? Pick up some Repashy's Grub Pie. It's worth a shot. Carnivore Care should be kept frozen, because it contains NO preservatives. Repashy's Grub Pie should be kept refrigerated.

    Oxbow's Carnivore Care

    Oxbow's Carnivore Care is a premium all-in-one powdered food one mixes with water.

    Once opened Carnivore Care ONLY keeps 7 days in the refrigerator, because it has no preservatives. To keep Carnivore Care viable beyond 7 days Oxbow's vet and developer recommends:
    • Once opened FREEZE remaining Carnivore Care for up to 3 months in its own pouch. Remove all air & seal. Place that pouch inside a Ziploc baggie or inside an airtight container. Then FREEZE it!
    • Take necessary amounts out of the container directly from the freezer.
    • Then remove all air & reseal.
    • Replace Carnivore Care back into the freezer.

    For link 34 click: Powdered Assist Foods: Oxbow’s Carnivore Care, Lafeber's Emeraid for Carnivors, & Fluker's Repta+Boost

    Click: How to Assist Feed a Leopard Gecko? - YouTube
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 04-27-2020 at 02:36 AM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

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    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    Hi ~

    Please re-read post #4. I significantly edited it.

    How about checking Kitana's feces for parasites or worms? I understand you've been told that was already done. Maybe parasites or worms weren't detectable in the earlier fecal. Perhaps she wasn't tested before.

    Please relocate Kitana's humid/moist hide to the warm end. That's important.

    How about confirming your UTH's temp underneath the warm dry hide with the probe of a separate digital thermometer? Place both probes on top of the UTH and underneath the warm dry hide. Zoo Med's yellow digital with a probe costs $10. It's available at PetCos and PetSmarts.

    At this time hold back on UVB. It's a science. Ideal conditions for a leo (anyway) are being confirmed for this link.

    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 04-27-2020 at 02:57 AM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    Great news, she ate tonight! Five roaches and was even hunting for two of them. The first three she kind of advanced towards the, on the tings and licked before taking it from them. Last two I let go for her to hunt and she even gave me a nice tail wiggle!!

    I did try the bug guts and she had no interest in it. I’m going to look into the dry diet for gutloading since I currently give them either carrots or apples, picked up some squash on sale today to try out too.

    Oh wow, good thing I only gave her the Carnivore Care once since it needs to be kept in the freezer. Looks like I’ll be ditching this pack! I have some grub pie coming in the mail, should be here in a day or two. Local stores only seem to have the crested gecko Repashy.

    I have a temp gun that I confirm the temperature with and it matches up with the thermostat setting. I’ll move her wet hide closer into the warm side since she does seem to like the humidity quite a bit

    I am so thrilled that she ate! Now she just has to keep eating LOL.
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    Go, Kitana, go!

    "RepiCal with D3": Which brand? How often do you use each supplement?
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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