PDA

View Full Version : S. williamsi photos



AnthonyCaponetto
09-09-2005, 01:47 AM
I just picked up a few williamsi (my first) and of course, the first thing I did was take some photos.

This one came from Jerry...
http://www.acreptiles.com/geckos/Strophurus/Williamsi_P-6.jpg

http://www.acreptiles.com/geckos/Strophurus/Williamsi_P-2.jpg

http://www.acreptiles.com/geckos/Strophurus/Williamsi_P-3.jpg

http://www.acreptiles.com/geckos/Strophurus/Williamsi_P-4.jpg

These two came from Nathan...
http://www.acreptiles.com/geckos/Strophurus/Williamsi_N.jpg

http://www.acreptiles.com/geckos/Strophurus/Williamsi_N-2.jpg

http://www.acreptiles.com/geckos/Strophurus/Williamsi_N-3.jpg


I got these guys mainly for fun, so I got one of these new Exo-Terra "Euro Style" tanks to set them up in. It seems well made and well thought out (secure and easy to use), so I'm probably going to switch all my fun stuff over to these tanks.

http://www.acreptiles.com/geckos/Strophurus/Exoterra_Setup-3.jpg

GeckoFiend
09-09-2005, 01:48 AM
Very nice pics. Good luck with them.

Jerry Peebles
09-09-2005, 02:29 AM
Anthony-

Nice photos. Good to see they look fat and happy!

Nice meeting you,

Jerry.

Elizabeth Freer
09-09-2005, 02:31 AM
Hi Anthony---

Great and alert animals! I especially like the photo of the gecko licking its lips!

Nathan Hall
09-09-2005, 02:41 AM
Excellent shots, Anthony. Did you use the digital Rebel to take the pics? I suggest adding a couple of thin branches in the enclosure.

AnthonyCaponetto
09-09-2005, 02:51 AM
Here are some more photos of the Exoterra tank, per Nathan's request. You can blame it on him if you guys don't care to see this. lol

Nathan, if this post is in the wrong place, let me know and I'll move it. :wink:

Security was a big issue for me with these cages, so I just bought the smallest one to take a close look at it...figured I could throw some larger geckos in thre if it weren't secure enough.

As it turns out, the only problem I could see was that tiny geckos could crawl through the tubing holes and get behind the rock background. The holes can be completely or partially covered from the top of the tank by a sliding mechanism on the screen top, so they still don't present any real risk of escape.

With the lid off, here are the holes uncovered.
http://www.acreptiles.com/geckos/Strophurus/Exoterra_Holes_Uncovered.jpg

In this one, I bent a business card in half and wedged it into place.
http://www.acreptiles.com/geckos/Strophurus/Exoterra_Holes_Covered.jpg

In this photo, you can just barely see the business card up there.
http://www.acreptiles.com/geckos/Strophurus/Exoterra_Williamsi.jpg

As mentioned earlier, with the screen top on, the holes can be covered.

Here they are uncovered...this allows you to run plastic tubing (or electrical cords) behind the rock background and into the bottom of the tank.
http://www.acreptiles.com/geckos/Strophurus/Exoterra_Holes_Open.jpg
I even considered placing a strip of 3" heat tape behind the rock background and running the cord out the top.

Or...you can cover some or all of the holes by just sliding this little thing over.
http://www.acreptiles.com/geckos/Strophurus/Exoterra_Holes_Closed.jpg

Here's the screen top. It has four release latches, so it's nice and secure.
http://www.acreptiles.com/geckos/Strophurus/Exoterra_Top.jpg

So, there you go...they're secure, reasonably priced (this one was about $40) and they're really cool looking. If there were a place for pad locks on the top and front to keep stupid humans out, I'd consider them for my eyelash vipers

AnthonyCaponetto
09-09-2005, 02:55 AM
Excellent shots, Anthony. Did you use the digital Rebel to take the pics?

Thanks. For the gecko photos, I used the Digital Rebel with a Tamron 90mm macro lens and off camera Alien Bee lights (with umbrellas).

For the pics of the tank, I used the same camera with the regular lens and the built-in flash.


I suggest adding a couple of thin branches in the enclosure.

Will do. I was going to ask you what you thought about that.


Anthony-

Nice photos. Good to see they look fat and happy!

Nice meeting you,

Jerry.

Thanks, Jerry. It was good to meet you too.

-Anthony

Nathan Hall
09-09-2005, 03:02 AM
Very informative! I would use pencil-thick branches. Good luck, and keep us posted on the durability of the enclosure.

GeckoFiend
09-09-2005, 08:25 AM
While I don't have any of those enclosures yet, I did notice that the background seems to get damaged easily. If you scratch it with a branch or something, it'll expose the ugly white styrofoam underneath. I've also seen large crickets eat the paint off of it.

AnthonyCaponetto
09-09-2005, 08:41 AM
While I don't have any of those enclosures yet, I did notice that the background seems to get damaged easily. If you scratch it with a branch or something, it'll expose the ugly white styrofoam underneath. I've also seen large crickets eat the paint off of it.

Hmmm....You must be thinking of a rock background made by a different company. The foam they use for these is actually black...they even mention it on their website. In fact, I couldn't figure out why they would bother using black foam...at least not until you mentioned that. :)

In this photo, you can see where the black underneath is somewhat exposed in certain areas.

http://www.acreptiles.com/geckos/Strophurus/Exoterra_Holes_Uncovered.jpg

The rock background is nice, but it's really easy to remove if you need to...and it's also replaceable. You can get all kinds of replacement parts directly from Hagen (the parent company).

Justin
09-09-2005, 09:09 AM
Great pics Anthony, I use those tanks for my williamsii. Here's a pic of how I set mine up, sorry to all those who've already seen it...

http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/5309williamsi_viv-med.jpg

JayS
09-09-2005, 09:22 AM
Anthony you should give me a call.You cant keep them set up that way.The cage is fine,it's your interior design thats wrong.Or we can talk next sunday.

AnthonyCaponetto
09-09-2005, 10:23 AM
Jay,

Congrats on the new website...it's about time you came out of the underground. :)

I'll call you today...I'm curious to get your input. I already added some branches and I'm thinking about scrapping that bonzai looking thing...takes up way too much space and from what I've noticed, it might prevent them from seeing the crickets/roaches.

I was planning to call about the show too. You should bring some geckos. I've got two tables, but I only have about a table and a half worth of animals to bring. It should be a good show...tables are sold out and we spent a ton on advertising.

Nathan Hall
09-09-2005, 10:23 AM
Why not share your thoughts here, Jay. The set-up looks fine to me. I would simply add some branches and hides.

AnthonyCaponetto
09-09-2005, 10:29 AM
Great pics Anthony, I use those tanks for my williamsii. Here's a pic of how I set mine up, sorry to all those who've already seen it...

http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/5309williamsi_viv-med.jpg

Thanks, Justin.

BTW, is that a dome lamp on top of the cage or one of those metal things they put on your head in a sci-fi movie??? lol

Nathan Hall
09-09-2005, 10:36 AM
BTW, is that a dome lamp on top of the cage or one of those metal things they put on your head in a sci-fi movie???
You know it is! Justin is a resourceful guy.

Justin
09-09-2005, 11:26 AM
LOL, it doubles for keeping out those pesky martian rays.

Jerry Peebles
09-09-2005, 01:10 PM
Justin-

I like the looks of your setup. It looks great for Strophurus.

See you soon,

Jerry.

oscar
09-09-2005, 01:31 PM
thanks for the pics Anthony. interesting to see what you keep for 'fun'. ;) i've been looking at those enclosures too, but havent decided whether to try one or not. btw, nice way to advertise.. posting a photo showing how you blocked those tube holes and 'conviently' making sure we can all see your website and phone number on the card. think we wouldnt notice? i do understand though. someone as anonymous as yourself needs all the views he can get. :P :lol:

Scott

nycherper
09-09-2005, 02:49 PM
lol!
Anthony the williamsi look great!
They even look larger from when you showed em to me in Daytona
Have fun with em!

JayS
09-09-2005, 04:20 PM
My only issue was the lack of climbing structure.The bonzai thing is o.k. but the geckos wont care if its there or not.The background concern is correct, the type of foam they used looks great but it's not durable.I have been in the construction industry for years and have done some very custom work involving molds and casts.Also if you are going to keep them together I would put as many branches as possible.In fact I wouldn't recomend it at all.If I have to explain I will in a later post no problem.I have kept various Strophs for years.By the way I really like those new cages.While they are not for me I think they are phenomenal for the average hobbyist,it's about time a company started manufacturing reptile cages instead of fish tanks with screen tops.I saw them in person before they were released and was pretty impressed.People who know me know I am a fan of glass and why.

JayS
09-09-2005, 04:35 PM
Also I probably would change the substrate to a sandy soil mix.that coconut stuff isn't really natural.Talk to you soon Anthony.

Lvbandeds
09-09-2005, 07:24 PM
Thanks for posting and congrats on the new additions.

AnthonyCaponetto
09-09-2005, 10:10 PM
Also I probably would change the substrate to a sandy soil mix.that coconut stuff isn't really natural.Talk to you soon Anthony.

Hey Jay,

Thanks for all the pointers. I already added lots of branches, so that's a done deal. Nathan and I already talked about keeping them all together. I wasn't sure if I should, so I'll watch them closely and if anyone starts looking thin, I'll go get another one of these cages.

I'm not overly worried about the rock background...for $40, I'd be happy if it lasts a year. These cages definitely reminded me of some of the stuff you make. Now if only they would put slanted fronts on them to keep the wall climbers from crapping on the front glass. :)

And yeah, I got away from the coconut stuff quite a while back. The substrate you see in the photos is a red sand/peat mix. It's about 30% sand right now, but I'm not sure that I like the texture/consistency when it's dry, so I may add another 20% to make it 50/50.

-Anthony

AnthonyCaponetto
09-09-2005, 10:13 PM
thanks for the pics Anthony. interesting to see what you keep for 'fun'. ;) i've been looking at those enclosures too, but havent decided whether to try one or not. btw, nice way to advertise.. posting a photo showing how you blocked those tube holes and 'conviently' making sure we can all see your website and phone number on the card. think we wouldnt notice? i do understand though. someone as anonymous as yourself needs all the views he can get. :P :lol:

Scott

LOL - Hey, I wasn't going to leave the white back exposed, so it was either the website and phone number or my logo. The logo was way more obnoxious, so I went with the first option.

-Anthony

GeckoFiend
09-10-2005, 12:45 AM
While I don't have any of those enclosures yet, I did notice that the background seems to get damaged easily. If you scratch it with a branch or something, it'll expose the ugly white styrofoam underneath. I've also seen large crickets eat the paint off of it.

Hmmm....You must be thinking of a rock background made by a different company. The foam they use for these is actually black...they even mention it on their website. In fact, I couldn't figure out why they would bother using black foam...at least not until you mentioned that. :)


That black is painted on. If you were to scratch off some of the "rock" paint, you'd see that it's white underneath. Unless they changed the construction of it already....

AnthonyCaponetto
09-10-2005, 06:55 AM
I'm getting ready to order six of the larger ones, so this kind of concerns me. I went down there and cut out a good 1/4" square piece off the top (out of view, of course) and the foam itself really is black.

Justin
09-10-2005, 07:01 AM
One thing to be careful of with those vivs... Make sure the spot lamp on top isn't too close to the black plastic frame otherwise it will burn and melt.

Geckoworld
09-10-2005, 07:41 AM
I found that too Justin. Kind of spoiled the background now lol

GeckoFiend
09-10-2005, 08:53 AM
I'm getting ready to order six of the larger ones, so this kind of concerns me. I went down there and cut out a good 1/4" square piece off the top (out of view, of course) and the foam itself really is black.

They must've fixed the problem then. Exo-terra is usually pretty good about fixing stuff like that. The first water dishes, caves, etc that they released all had a coating on them that wore off easily. Now they just use plastic that is the desired color.

AnthonyCaponetto
09-10-2005, 09:11 AM
One thing to be careful of with those vivs... Make sure the spot lamp on top isn't too close to the black plastic frame otherwise it will burn and melt.

Definitely...that plastic support running down the middle of the top is probably the worst thing I've noticed about them. In addition to the possibility of melting, it totally prevents you from setting a dome lamp directly on the screen.

I was wondering why they made it like that until I read that they're coming out with light fixtures made specifically for those cages...what a novel idea to squeeze a little more money out of the public.

Makes me wonder if Microsoft is involved... :)

JayS
09-10-2005, 09:58 AM
Anthony,maybe you should think about using those under-cabinet halogen lights.The "hockey pucks",you wont need reflectors and if you run them on a dimmer they will last a while.The other benafit is if you take yhe glass out they are very high in full spectrum,for those who care.these will help with uniformity.

Justin
09-10-2005, 10:11 AM
May I ask where you saw the specialised lamps Anthony?

AnthonyCaponetto
09-10-2005, 10:46 AM
Anthony,maybe you should think about using those under-cabinet halogen lights.The "hockey pucks",you wont need reflectors and if you run them on a dimmer they will last a while.The other benafit is if you take yhe glass out they are very high in full spectrum,for those who care.these will help with uniformity.

Good call. I might check some out at Lowe's when I'm out today.


May I ask where you saw the specialised lamps Anthony?

Exo-Terra mentions them on their website.

http://www.exo-terra.com/EN/products/glass_terrariums_instr.html

AnthonyCaponetto
09-10-2005, 10:49 AM
I just noticed this on their site...

"The background is made from black polystyrene, so it will not be obvious when the background is accidentally damaged (white polystyrene would be very obvious when the coating is damaged)."

http://www.exo-terra.com/EN/products/glass_terrariums_i.html

Wish I would've seen that before I went and took a biopsy from mine. Doh!

Jerry Peebles
09-10-2005, 02:25 PM
Jay-

I've tried the puck lights numerious times and they burn out in no time. You mentioned using a dimmer on them. Can I ask how much this increases their life? They would work great if they just lasted longer.

Thanks for any advice,

Jerry.

JayS
09-10-2005, 03:07 PM
same problem.If they could fix that I would purchase stock.I think they do it so you have to buy bulbs at 3.00 a piece.O.K.now, the dimmer makes them last twice as long but there are exceptions of course.It keeps them from maxing out and they dont get as hot.Taking out the glass helps because it releases a little heat.and running a small computer fan across the top of the lights in a rack helps too.I also try really hard not to bump the lights because it can break the filament.just dimming a little can do wonders.I had also started running fixtures in series and using 20w chandalier bulbs.when you lay them down they keep a low profile.

JayS
09-10-2005, 03:10 PM
one other thing about these exo-terra.Why if styrofoam is unfriendly to our enviroment would we want to put it in our cages?Don't let the light burn or melt that stuff,it will release toxins for the same reason you shouldn't microwave your food in it.

Geckoworld
09-10-2005, 03:19 PM
I should have mentioned this before, but I tested mine before any animals were added. I plan on using them still, but the backgrounds have been taken out. To be honest Im not all that keen on the backgrounds after seeing them in person. The do not fit the enclosure properly, and anyone can make better ones themselves. The one thing I like about them is that they can be used to cover cables etc. However with a little extra work, you could make your own backgrounds to do this too.

oscar
09-10-2005, 03:39 PM
Makes me wonder if Microsoft is involved...

:lol: :lol: good one. Anthony,about the card.. i was just joking, i know you werent advertising.

glad to see some discussion on these enclosures going on as i hadnt heard much about them and everyone putting their 2 cents in really is starting to highlights the pros and cons. so whats everyones overall opinion. worth the price or not?

Scott

AnthonyCaponetto
09-10-2005, 03:52 PM
Jay,

You got me thinking, so I did some looking on the net. Apparently, CFC's were the big environmental problem with styrene products in the 1980's, but CFC's haven't been used as an extrusion agent (at least not in the US) since 1990. Now days, it says that most manufacturers use CO2, which is not retained in the finished material. I think it also said that only 2-3% of styrene products in the world are extruded with CFC's today. Also, now that I think about it, all my Doug Barr cages are made out of styrene.

Ray,

I heard that the backgrounds don't fit from someone before, but the background in the cage I got fits like a glove. I was really worried about geckos getting behind it, but there's no way...at least not the one I have.

I think they look OK for what they are...they're not a high quality, fiberglass replica piece by any means, but I still like the idea...especially since the cages are so affordable. I'd buy the cages for the same price, even if there were no background.

The big thing for me is insulation. I keep a lot of my display tanks (vipers, geckos, etc.) along a wall that gets really cold in the winter, so having some insulation at the back of the tank is really appealing to me...plus, I won't have to put black aquarium backgrounds on them.




glad to see some discussion on these enclosures going on as i hadnt heard much about them and everyone putting their 2 cents in really is starting to highlights the pros and cons. so whats everyones overall opinion. worth the price or not?

Scott

Scott,

I've been curious about these cages for a while, so I've enjoyed this topic too...obviously. I haven't posted on forums this much in the last month. lol :roll:

Provided they don't fall apart in a year, I think they're well worth the money for someone who doesn't have the time or resources to build their own glass cages.

Geckoworld
09-10-2005, 04:27 PM
Maybe it's just a good fit on the small ones then. I have 2 sizes of the Exo-terra enclosure, and all of the backgrounds did not completely reach the top. Leaving a nice gap for crickets (or small geckos) to hide. Obviously the problem was the crickets hiding, not the geckos hiding :)
They are cool, but I've experimented quite a bit with them, and the background just stands out a bit too much, rather than blending in (which is how I like my setups).

I have found a use for them though...behind another setup

http://www.geckoworld.net/neph_setup.jpg

AnthonyCaponetto
09-10-2005, 04:38 PM
Maybe it's just a good fit on the small ones then. I have 2 sizes of the Exo-terra enclosure, and all of the backgrounds did not completely reach the top. Leaving a nice gap for crickets (or small geckos) to hide. Obviously the problem was the crickets hiding, not the geckos hiding :)


In that case, I'll have to take a look at the bigger ones because that could definitely be a problem for me. I was toying with the idea of setting up a big colony of l. lugubris in the 18" cube. Since I need the background for insulation, I guess I could pull the background out, put in enough substrate to push the background up to the top, and then fill in any gaps on the sides with silicone.

Another idea would be to stack pieces of light diffuser (aka plastic grid) in the bottom of the enclosure to push the background up.

Geckoworld
09-10-2005, 04:45 PM
You could always stuff the gap with moss or something similar.
I wish it was as easy as being able to move the background up. I think it would need cutting to shape....would only be a small job though.

These setups really are ideal for arboreal geckos. I wonder if they are going to make some terrestrial setups sometime soon...

Jerry Peebles
09-10-2005, 05:51 PM
Thanks for the info, Jay. I'm going to be setting up a new room shortly and will certainly take much of what you said into account.

Jerry.

oscar
09-10-2005, 07:30 PM
I've enjoyed this topic too...obviously. I haven't posted on forums this much in the last month

month??! i think this thread alone has doubled your post count. :P i'm glad that you got dragged in.. now if we can keep you posting. ;) i think we have some of the top gecko breeders as active members of our board, you'd be a superb addition.

Ray, regarding terrestrial cages.. how would you envision them? just a squatter, wider version of these? it'd be kinda weird to see them with such wide doors as they'd need to make them wider. perhaps they could take up some of the width with a glass panel and have the doors only be a portion of the front? what do you think?

overall, this is a really bittersweet topic for me. i have been experimenting making my own enclosures because i can get most of the raw materials inexpensively as i am in the construction industry. the downfall being the shortage of time i have and how long it takes for me to get them together. i was pleased to see these when they were announced, but now that they seem to be a good buy, i am torn over time vs cost. :(

Scott

Geckoworld
09-10-2005, 09:05 PM
Ray, regarding terrestrial cages.. how would you envision them? just a squatter, wider version of these? it'd be kinda weird to see them with such wide doors as they'd need to make them wider. perhaps they could take up some of the width with a glass panel and have the doors only be a portion of the front? what do you think?

I would have imagined they would only have one door on them. So effectively, the door would be the width of the enclosure.
Either that or perhaps they would make some sliding glass front enclosures.
Either way would suit me fine, we need more enclosures to be readily available, and exo-terra seem to be very good value.

I doubt they would make the enclosures any wider than say 60cm (24") anyway judging my the sizes of these ones.

AnthonyCaponetto
09-11-2005, 12:27 AM
Ray,

Have you looked at the Visionarium? These things were all over Daytona. Not so much for sale, but a lot of vendors were displaying animals in them.

http://www.visionproducts.us/visionarium/images/V207Lock.jpg

http://www.visionproducts.us/visionarium/htm/advantages.html

Geckoworld
09-11-2005, 08:26 AM
Those are nice. Are the joints reinforced with metal?
Hopefully we'll see them available over here but it's unlikely since the Vision vivariums aren't that readily available here yet and they've been around for years.

Thanks for sharing that Anthony ;)

JayS
09-11-2005, 09:12 AM
My problem is more with the little pieces of styrolite and the cfc's refer more to the manufacturing of them than the problems once they are finished.Its the same reason they have outlawed the stuff to be used for docks on lakes.Think of this,your crickets chew on the stuff then your geckos eat it.Not good for my stuff.Believe me long term it will happen.Though styrene and this stuff are derived from the same beginnings so are chocolate and cocaine.Even our beloved chloroflorocarbons (cfc's) were once used to as the main propulsion in an aerosol can for our food and in homes.That was there biggest use.Don't be so quick to trust.Forgive me for being cynical,but companies are interested in making money not happy customers.These cages are nice but I think they should have done something different for the background and I would have used sliding doors instead.those vision cages are going to present problems with substrate into the tracks.They didn't make the damm tall enough and they should have elevated the track.

AnthonyCaponetto
09-11-2005, 10:55 AM
Those are nice. Are the joints reinforced with metal?
Hopefully we'll see them available over here but it's unlikely since the Vision vivariums aren't that readily available here yet and they've been around for years.

Thanks for sharing that Anthony ;)

I think they're just plastic (the joints). I really don't keep much in the way of terrestrial geckos, so I haven't even looked into them. They did look pretty neat in Daytona, though. Like Jay said, the litter dam leaves a lot to be desired. The fact that they're stackable and can still accept lights is nice, though.

They break down for shipping, so I'd imagine you could get some where you are. Vision's cages are another story because they're a one piece design.

-Anthony

AnthonyCaponetto
09-22-2005, 07:23 PM
Just FYI...

I picked up some more Exo-Terra cages this weekend at the MRBE (Kansas City Herp Society show) for my tokay and lugubris groups.

These particular cages came with the old style rock background, which is white styrofoam that was painted black and then painted with the "rock color". There was a little white already showing as soon as I opened the boxes, so I can't imagine how bad they'll look in six months.

The good news...I contacted Hagen (Exo-Terra's parent company) and asked if I could purchase the new style backgrounds. They replied within 24 hours and said that they would send me the new backgrounds free of charge.

Anyway, just figured that anyone who is considering these cages and especially those who've bought these cages in the past, might find this info useful.

-Anthony

nycherper
09-22-2005, 10:33 PM
What are the largest sizes on the Exo-Terra cages. I would like to try them for some uroplatus geckos