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HaikuDan
10-20-2005, 03:08 PM
Just wondering if anyone has gotten anywhere with this species? I haven't heard anything about them in some time other than the fact that nobody was having much success with them at all. (Although last mention I've heard of p.masobe was back before much progress had been made with cat geckos.)

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mat.si
11-01-2005, 05:07 PM
Hi!
I have a small breeding group of P. masobe (1.3)
Last year I only got two babies from one pair of fertile eggs. One unfortunately wasn't eating well and died after a couple of weeks. The other one is now 11 months old female. All other eggs from last year were infertile.

This year one baby from a single egg already hatched about a month ago and is doing fine.
And I still have four eggs incubating. They all seem fertile.
Other eggs were infertile and I unfortunately lost a good pair of eggs, because they were not found in time. They were buried in a corner with a very humid substrate and were already cracked when I found them.


Regards, Matjaz

Geckoholic
11-01-2005, 06:15 PM
Wow it is great to hear someone is not only keeping a group of these guys alive, but actually getting some fertile eggs from them as well! Congrats! Being as how very few people have been successful with this species could you please share with us how you are keeping them? Tank size, design, temps, food, humidity, lighting, etc….

If you decide to sell any hatchlings PLEASE drop me a line! (geckoholic@hotmail.com)

Thanks!
Steve

mat.si
11-02-2005, 11:45 AM
Hi!
Originally I kept all of them together in a rather big glass terrarium (100X50X50 cm)
After some time I noticed that some aggression was going on among them.
At first I thought the male was aggressive towards females, but later I found one of the females was terrorizing the others.
(There are plenty of hidding places in the terrarium.)
I removed two females to smaller terrariums (40X40X40 cm) and now I keep every female separately.
Unfortunately before I did that, one of them dropped the original tail due to the bites from the aggressive female.
This year I had to remove the male as well, because she bit him on the head quite bad. He's OK now, but still has a scar.
I circulated him with all three females this year.
The interesting thing is, that the aggressive female laid three pairs of fertile eggs this year, while only one of the other two females produced a single fertile egg, which already hatched. All other eggs were soft and infertile.

Terrariums are furnished with a lot of tunnel-shapped cork bark pieces (providing plenty of hidding places), a bigger clay hidding place, some cork branches for climbing and at least one live plant (keeping humidity levels higher). Substrate is common peat, of which one third of the surface is moist, the other part dry. I spray every evening.
The substrate gets saturated with water after some time and needs complete change from time to time.

I keep them on lower shelves in my reptile room, with no additional heating.
The temperatures are 20 - 22 C by night, 23 - 25 C by day.
(The eggs are incubated at the same temp. range and take about 4.5 months to hatch. They are quite big and look almost identical to the U. henkeli eggs.)
For lighting I use full spectrum flourescent tubes although they never come outside during the day.
Light is turned on for about 12 hours during summer and about 10 hours during winter.

There's also a water dish and small dish with calcium (cuttlefish bone) for females. They eat quite a lot of it during breeding season.

I feed them mostly dusted crickets (Gryllus assimilis) and from time to time they will take small roaches (Blaptica) from forceps.
I also give them (specially females) extra vitamins and calcium diluted in water by the pipette.

For terrarium plants I use smooth-leaved bromelias or small Ficus trees (for babies).
My P. masobe babies spend almost entire nights up among the branches of these miniature trees.
But the trees need a lot of careful prunning to keep them in shape for small terrariums.

I find these small-leaved Ficus trees very useful for many climbing, humidity-loving geckos, such as Uroplatus guentheri (babies and adults), U. phantasticus (babies and adults), U. henkeli (babies), Paroedura masobe (babies) and A. felinus.
The small leaves create a great humid microhabitat, that holds humidity very well when sprayed with water.

I hope this helps.

I will definitely keep all the hatchlings from this year. Maybe I will sell some next year. It depends on how many there will be.
I will let you know, but if you are from the US, there might be a small problem of Atlantic Ocean to deal with. :)
Otherwise I'm at the Hamm expo in Germany in March and September every year.

Regards, Matjaz

kanopy
11-02-2005, 01:56 PM
Thanks for all the informations Matjaz, good job!
Fred.

sune jensen
11-02-2005, 03:39 PM
Great Job Matjaz!!

Friendly regards

Sune

Geckoholic
11-02-2005, 08:20 PM
Thanks for the info Matjaz and keep up the great work!

Steve

mat.si
11-04-2005, 03:33 PM
Hi!
I will try to either borrow (or buy) a digital camera and post some photos of my P. masobe on the forum for you to enjoy. Hopefully in the not-too-distant future.

Regards, Matjaz

Bowfinger
01-10-2006, 12:15 AM
I am sooo happy to hear of the success!!! Everyone, KERD is getting some imports in...I am going to get some now that I see some hope!

mat.si
01-10-2006, 05:44 AM
Another baby masobe just hatched on Jan 6th. It just ate for the first time yesterday.
The other one from the same pair of eggs should be out of the egg soon.
The first baby from this year (September) is already very big, growing fast.

Unfortunately, one of my original three females just had a cloacal prolapse yesterday. I'm afraid I might lose her. I managed to insert it back gently, but I'm afraid it will come out again.
Any ideas how to treat this in geckos? I don't have access to any vet, who has any significant experience with reptiles.
I've kept and bred many species of geckos, but I've seen this condition only in Uroplatus henkeli before and the female died after a couple of days. :(

Matjaz

Protean
01-10-2006, 04:10 PM
i've used sugar water mixed to the consistency of a paste in the past. It has worked some what for me in the past but not that often. I had been doing that by my vet's orders as well. I wish you luck though.

Where did you receive your original adults from? I'm trying to find this species myself but am having limited luck doing so.

cheers
jason

mat.si
01-11-2006, 11:44 AM
Hi!
Thanks for the tip. I already tried with pulverized sugar, but it didn't work. I managed to gently push her cloaca back inside, but it was out again in the morning.
I did it again and then I made some kind of diaper to keep her cloaca inside.
But after two days she doesn't look well. This morning I found her partially outside of her hidding place, which had never happened before.

If she dies, I'll luckily still have 1.2 adults, 1 subadult female, 2 babies, 3 more hopefully to come.

I don't know, how things are in the US, but here in Europe I only very occasionally saw wc P. masobe on the Hamm expo. They were not looking well at all.

I got my 1.3 from a Czech gecko breeder. He seems to have bred masobe at least once. I had it rather easy with them, bacuse mine were already F1 generation cb animals, although I suspect a male could have been an already acclimated wc specimen, because he was quite nervous and has a regenerated tail.

I will keep all of my masobe offspring and see how the breeding goes with this next generation.

Matjaz

Protean
01-11-2006, 11:59 PM
its amazing to me what you all are able to get in Europe. Its actually more amazing to me how in depth the collections are. I love the fact that you all keep your animals in naturalistic enclosures. A lot of americans do not do that. I learned a lot about cage building while I was in Prague this past September.

Will you be at the Hamm show this march?

Cheers
Jason

Bowfinger
01-12-2006, 01:27 AM
You guys on here who have the money and space, please get some P. masobe from the new shippments in USA. I am worried these guys will be protected before anyone establishes the species. I am not an expert but have been in the hobby over 15 years seeing Countries open then close and species for $25 go up to $1000 plus after protection. I am going to get maybe a 2.5 group...but I might be far from right on my ideas of keeping them.
It is my understanding this is the first in 18 months coming in. Anyways good job mat.si , it is true you guys are doing some outstanding things that us Americans really admire!!!

mat.si
01-12-2006, 06:29 PM
Hi!
Yes, I will be at the Hamm show this March.

I think that the main problem with establishing some new/rare species in captivity is that the imports always arrive in such a bad condition.

Matjaz

Bowfinger
01-12-2006, 07:06 PM
I have heard of exporters trying to get top dollar for a reptile, sometimes more than what the importers are willing to pay. This then leaves the animal sitting, waiting out the "strike" on price to end. Probably ending when the exporter has waited on lowering the price just up to the geckos breaking point, as they start to die off...if the exporter is not giving the right invironment and/or a stressful one at that. And we do know now that these guys bite each other very hard as mat.si has stated lol, so not to social. I could be way off so keep looking for answers.

mat.si
01-13-2006, 07:43 PM
Another masobe baby just hatched today (the third one this year) :D
But unfortunately the adult female which had a cloacal prolapse died yesterday. :(

Matjaz

Bowfinger
01-16-2006, 01:12 PM
Question for Matjaz. What is the highest temps you let your masobe get? And did you notice health problems at these temperatures?

mat.si
01-16-2006, 04:41 PM
All my masobe terrariums are on the bottom shelves. They don't have any extra heating.
Basically the temeparatures are similar to room temperatures. That means between 19 and 21 C at night and between 22 to 25 C during the day.
I'd say 25 C is the highest temeperatures they get.
I never noticed any health problems. This female's cloacal prolapse and death was the first bad thing that's happened to them.
In setting my terrariums I followed my experiences combined with the information I got from the Czech breeder who sold me the original animals.
I never found any data on temperatues in the wild, where they live.

Matjaz