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11-30-2005, 08:13 PM
Hi All

I am new to this forum as from now. Just like to say hi to all.

Cairns is found at the top of the Australian state of Queensland - and is generally a very hot & humid location, in some ways similar to Florida.

I keep Nephrurus Levis Pilbarensis, Nephrurus Amyae, Nephrurus Levis (Tanami form) & Underwoodisaurus Milli, and soon to get Nephrurus Laevissium.

Is there any other keepers or breeders of Nephrurus Laevissium here, I hear that they are hard to keep and some what mad.

Anyway hope to chat at some time.



Ken Bartenfeld
11-30-2005, 08:16 PM
Welcome Ari, what is Tanami form look like? Maybe you can get Sarah a male, she is in need of one ;-)

I live in Florida, I hate this weather sometimes!

11-30-2005, 08:48 PM
Hi Ken

I have been reading alot of your posts re Amyae. You have had lots of success. I presume you have to make the use of air conditioning similar to me for cooling. The humidity is at 100% at the moment here.

I think I sent Sarah a PM through another forum yesterday about her need for a male Levis & Helmeted gecko.

Anyway keep in contact Ken - I love your Amyae pics you have posted mate.



Ken Bartenfeld
11-30-2005, 08:49 PM
Thanks Ari, we will see how this year goes ;-)

11-30-2005, 09:15 PM
Hello Ari,

Welcome to the forums. I too am very interested in what you are calling the "Tanami form" of levis. I've been working with N.l.levis since '94, and have never heard this form mentioned.

I keep N. laevissimus, and although somewhat delicate, they have become perhaps my favorite Nephrurus.

Best regards,
Tom Wood

11-30-2005, 09:28 PM
i'm very interested in the "Tanami form" as well.

BTW, at least it's you never have a below zero wind chill in florida or Cairns!

11-30-2005, 09:43 PM

As you maybe aware some of the Australian reptile species have slightly different forms, e.g. Oedura Marmorata for example - WA (Western Australian form), (Lightning Ridge form) & the (Northern form) they are all Oedura Marmorata but colouring and patterns are so different depending on the area they are from.

Pythons like womas are the same (WA Form), (SA form) & Tanami(NT Form) Colouration & size varies.

Levis also - e.g. Tanami form - which I think is the nicest form - Northern Territory form generally deeper orange & red colouring with horizontal white spots that kinda make lines across the body. Australian gecko keepers generally will try to only breed form with form.


11-30-2005, 09:46 PM
Would love to post some pics but dont know how as they are all on my computer in Documents

11-30-2005, 09:53 PM
go to www.tinypic.com and upload them

once you upload them, itll bring up a link that starts with name of pic
then cut and copy that and paste it in here

11-30-2005, 09:55 PM
Hi aquapimp

You should do up a care sheet on Nephrurus Laevisseum and let others know how you do it, as there isn't such a thing on the internet. And yes even Australian breeders say its a delicate or Psyco species.

Any information you could supply would be great as I am getting 4 x juveniles in a month.



11-30-2005, 10:00 PM
http://tinypic.com/i2lkw1.jpg - Oedura Marmorata (Western Australian form)

11-30-2005, 10:04 PM
http://tinypic.com/i2ln9z.jpg - Nephrurus Levis (Tanami form)


11-30-2005, 10:05 PM
WOW!! Thats a gorgeous marmorata. Do you have a pic of the Tanami Levis?

11-30-2005, 10:32 PM

11-30-2005, 10:52 PM
Hi Ari!!

I contacted Shelley, she has some 8 month old Levis but not sure on sex yet. No Galeatus either, but it was worth a shot.

I see you know John McGrath too!!! I recognise his photo of the Tanami!!! I am getting four of his Tanami hatchlings this season, and I buy most of my animals from him. He is sending me four adult S.Intermedius, 4 adult D.Dameum and some Milli hatchlings next week. Very excited!! Nice bloke, isn't he. He's very patient with all my beginners questions!

I also have air-con in my gecko room which has been recently installed, it's getting pretty hot in there already! I'm in Brissy.

Would love to see some pics of your animals.


11-30-2005, 10:52 PM
Here is my 7 month old Nephrurus Levis Pilbarensis female she is over weight. The camera doesnt do her colours justice.


11-30-2005, 10:54 PM
Fantastic pics Ari, and a great explanation of the "tanami" form. These were the levis first obtained in my collection. As you suggested, these animals are predominantly reds and oranges, with prominent transverse "banding". These animals (which I never had a term to apply to) also exhibit (in my humble opinion) a different morphology as well: A thicker, stockier body with very wide tails. Most tend to have bronze eyes.

In contrast, I also have a form that exhibits quite different traits: Slender bodied, dark (almost graphite) grey color, with yellow vertebral striping and banding. Often, the stripe is carried through the tail, which tends to be more slender and elongate than the above form. Platinum eyes are seemingly linked with the "lava' traits.

As far as laevissimus care sheets go, I'll try another season's production before I can attempt to proclaim expertise with these gems.

Also, those marmorata pics give me a "chubby" as well.


11-30-2005, 10:56 PM
Mike, I just noticed that you posted the pic! Are you in Australia too?

11-30-2005, 10:59 PM
Ari...John Mcgrath keeps Laevissimus, and describes them a suicidal maniacs, apparently he generally has 50% of hatchlings make it to adulthood. I was thinking about getting some but I don't feel confident enough to take them on yet.


11-30-2005, 11:00 PM
Hi Sarah

That is indeed a pic of John's Tanami form - thats the only pic I had to explain about the other forms. I am getting some Nephrurus Levis (Tanami form) off John as well.

And yes you are right he is the nicest & most helpful guy I think I have ever spoken to inrelation to geckos. His knowledge is amazing, infact hes the one who got me interested.

Are you interested in other Nephrurus species?

I am so excited I am getting my new 2 year old female Nephrurus Amyae tommorrow from an Alice Springs breeder.....cant wait

I see you have Golden Tails - is it a pair, would love some hatchlings when you breed them. They are the only restricted Gecko species in QLD I think.

Take Care


11-30-2005, 11:04 PM

I am getting some Nephrurus Laevisseum of John also in a month or so.

They are psycotic - but I thought I would give them ago. They are magnificient species.

11-30-2005, 11:06 PM
No sarah, i was just posting the pics for ari

ari, once you have the links put before the link and after the link to get the pick to show right away,like this:


Ken Bartenfeld
11-30-2005, 11:10 PM
All the luck to you. Curious how your breeding is going with amyae Ari, and since your all talking about care sheets, maybe you can supply them on here with amyae, levis levis and the rest ;-)

I am always curious how other people keep their amyae...

11-30-2005, 11:12 PM
Hi Ari!

Yes, they are a pair actually. I will have to sell all the hatchlings as I am only allowed to keep two on my licence! I have five eggs in the incubator. When I get some hatchlings I will let you know!

Yes I am very interested in the Nephrurus genus too, I am buying 4 Pilbariensis hatchlings and 4 Levis hatchlings from John this season and I also have a pair of two year old Amyae coming in about two weeks! Mine are from Victoria though. I'm just as excited as you are LOL!

Here's another pic of some more of John's Tanami.

Good luck with the Laevissimus!!

Do you have any other photos of your animals? LOVE your Juvenile pilbariensis!! One of John's too?


11-30-2005, 11:17 PM
Hi Ken

The Nephrurus Amyae are my recent addition - I haven't bred them yet. You would have more knowledge on them than me. Thats one of the reasons I joined this forum is to get information from others who like geckos like yourself. After seeing your pics I reacon your the Amyae man. So I will occassionally ask you some questions if thats ok.



11-30-2005, 11:25 PM
Here is some pics of my enclosures:

http://tinypic.com/i2mzyw.jpg - Amyae enclosure with divider

Ken Bartenfeld
11-30-2005, 11:27 PM
I will help you the best I can, with no problem at all... :mrgreen:

12-01-2005, 12:20 AM
Wow, amazing animals in these pictures...those are some RED levis! You aussie keepers are lucky :wink:

Tom, i'd be very interested in hearing about the different 'forms' of amyae you've come kept

12-01-2005, 02:01 AM
Hi Ari,

welcome, great to have your here!
BTW Nice species your are keeoping :lol:



12-01-2005, 02:05 AM
Hi Ari,

Actually my Amyae are coming from NSW! Got it mixed up with where John is in Vic!!

I like your enclosures. I split the tanks my Strophs are in too. It saves space for sure and the Strophs are very happy with the arrangement too.

Going to pick up a male Williamsi just now. Will post pics when I get him home. His two girlfriends are arriving from Vic tomorrow morning.

Do you have pics of the Amyae you are getting yet?


12-01-2005, 02:43 AM
This is my new girl - sorry bad pic



This is my current boy


12-01-2005, 03:33 AM
Ooof. The Amyae are SO amazing! Love them! Did you get your male Amyae from Shelly? He looks to have the same dark colouring that hers have (looked on her website). You lucky thing! At the moment I've only got a pic of the female that's coming, waiting on a pic of the male.

Do you have close pics of your Amyae and Levis set-ups?


12-01-2005, 04:55 AM
Odd off topic question but do you Australians ever get your hands on legally obtained species from other parts of the world. I've always wondered but never asked.


12-01-2005, 05:00 AM
Nope. It is illegal to ship out of the country or import into the country, even if its an Australian species. Apparently there are 'illegal immigrants' here, including exotic species, but I prefer to stay the right side of the law LOL! I've never been offered any, and would never buy any.

Shame though as there are some amazing species out there that I would love to keep, and I wouldn't mind a pair of Tom's brick red Levis either, hehehe!!

12-01-2005, 06:15 AM

You guys & gals are so lucky.

I would love a Day gecko or something amazingly green. But impossible here, infact legally Leopard geckos etc arent allowed. We only have Aussie geckos - nothing goes out and nothing comes in. If you do bring something in its a mass fine or jail.

But then in away its good for us, e.g. different blood lines, no inbreeding as such. Also species are cheaper, e.g. some Nephrurus I have seen going for $1500 - $2000 each & thats USD$ in the USA, same species here is between $150 - $200 AUD$.

Also we have to apply & pay for licences - no licence no purchase.

Very strict

12-01-2005, 06:30 AM
Yes indeed, and a movement advice has to be filled out and sent to the state wildlife department for each purchase consignment. Practices differ from state to state, but yes, very strict indeed.

12-01-2005, 07:38 AM
Heres another Nephrurus Levis Pilbarensis


12-01-2005, 11:14 AM
That is one of the coolest patterned pilbarensis i have ever seen.

12-01-2005, 03:03 PM
Yes, amazing Pilb. John has some really fantastic animals doesn't he. I can't wait to see what my hatchlings turn out like! It must be great to watch them get their pattern over time.