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Ken Bartenfeld
07-30-2006, 02:48 PM
The Eurydactylodes are a great species to keep...and now you can see how I have become accustomed to keeping them! Very simple...branches, laybox with spanhgum moss or whatever and papertowels in a barrs 12x12x16 cage!

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d95/KenBartenfeld/IMG_2049.jpg

kozmo
07-30-2006, 02:59 PM
Those guys are awesome. Would they do well on any of the T-Rex diets or are they fine on baby food and crickets/roaches?

Ken Bartenfeld
07-30-2006, 03:03 PM
Seriously I have been feeding mine practically on the CGD with 30% protein and Peace baby food from time to time as a "treat". In this picture they are eating the CGD, they loooooove that stuff. I also add a little calcium and herbtivite or whatever in it.

I am sure they would eat the T-Rex diets as well.

Only some eat crickets and or roaches, they tend to go for the lateralis more. I did feed one dubia when I FIRST got a pair of agricolae...and the female choked on the damn thing...and it was a baby dubia, so I think their carapace is too tought for them.

sikorae
07-30-2006, 03:37 PM
Great shot, they are gorgeous.

Nathan Hall
08-01-2006, 08:50 PM
All of our specimens eat crickets (75% of the diet), supplemented peach baby food, and MRP. They are voracious feeders.

Ken Bartenfeld
08-01-2006, 10:08 PM
Hmmm...maybe thats because yours are CBB...like I said, mine are not related whatsoever...to anything...:roll:

My ones I got from people here in the US tear up lateralis and the smaller crickets.

mat.si
08-02-2006, 07:24 AM
Mine eat peach baby food, very small crickets (they don't like them too big), and my female likes to eat small aquatic snails as well.

Matjaz

Ken Bartenfeld
08-02-2006, 09:49 AM
Snails..hmmm...never would have thought of that! Shells to?! Curious...

I usually throw like 5 crickets/lateralis 2 times a week, and they are gone when I check again...someone is eating them, but I think its the female from Nabors and Tremper, I can visually see them going after them...well, as well as others too...so I really can't say who eats and who doesn't ;-)

Ken Bartenfeld
08-02-2006, 09:49 AM
Can they retain sperm?

mat.si
08-02-2006, 10:01 AM
I feed the crickets in a cup (baby food jar).
They had problem catching them in the terrarium.
My female is a huge beast and I see her hanging head down inside the jar quite often.

Snails are good. You just need some very small ones. I "spoon" feed them to the geckos. Photo coming up.

Matjaz

mat.si
08-02-2006, 10:06 AM
Snails are in the plastic spoon in the middle.
Snail shels are a great natural source of calcium.
As the snail feeding pioneer, Yuri Kaverkin said, most females of tropical gecko species probably eat snails.

http://tinypic.com/21ott2s.jpg

Ken Bartenfeld
08-02-2006, 10:07 AM
I spoon feed the mine too! Its adorable when they come up and know they are going to get fed, sometimes I just put it in a tray...about 75% of the time, and they gobble it up at night!

The crickets don't jump out of the jar?

mat.si
08-02-2006, 10:20 AM
I put some dog flakes in the jar and a piece of chinese cabbage.
That way crickets have something to eat, while they wait to get eaten :twisted: and also have a feeling that they can hide.
They don't usually jump, if they don't panic. Very few actually get out of the jar.
I saw my female picking them up from the jar one by one.
She really prefers very small ones, much smaller that you would expect her to be able to normally eat.

The funniest thing about agricolae is, that they are also active at daytime, although less than at night.
Do you notice this with yours?

Matjaz

Ken Bartenfeld
08-02-2006, 08:28 PM
Mine are active through out the day, I can not wait to get my vieillardi! I want to see how much different they are to each other...

Good idea about the baby food jar, I have to save some up and try it out! The ones I see eat also like the smaller ones!

My female that I was selling laid last night, two infertile eggs, but now i'll keep her! They are awesome to work with, just wish other people knew...hell, they are even fun to hold! I like how when they try going up my arm, they slide of my arm hair and have trouble holding on, but when they have ahold of your finger or something, they just don't let go like Strophurus...the worst is being sprayed, I have now came to just HATING that smell! Ugh! Smells like fish oil...but with a funky twist to the worst!

mat.si
08-03-2006, 05:35 PM
I use baby food jars to feed my klemmeri and agricolae.

Yes, I like agricolae a lot as well.
Although they look like something not very interesting at first look, their appearance and behavior wins you over very quickly.
They really are quite unique.

I couldn't get that nasty smell off my fingers for a few days, when I tried to fix my younger male's hemipenis, that was hanging out.
it eventually dried and fell off by itself.

Have your females laid any fertile eggs yet?
I'm quite a bit frustrated with mine at the moment.
I got 1.1.1 last September. The adult pair was subadult then and the young one turned out to be male.
I never observed any breeding behavior with my bigger pair, but this spring the female started digging through the substrate all around the plant pot for one full day and night. When she left the pot I searched for eggs, but didn't find any.
She did the same thing almost exactly one month later, but didn't lay any eggs at that time either.
After that, I put a younger male in her terrarium and in about 10 minutes they were copulating. I observed copulation a couple more times during next week.

After about a month she was digging again and I was sure she would lay eggs this time. But nothing again. Not even infertile ones.
Otherwise they are doing great. I'm not really sure, if I'm doing something wrong or what.

Matjaz

Nathan Hall
08-03-2006, 06:44 PM
Matjaz,

We picked up some specimens in Europe last September as well. One female has laid three clutches and the other has laid two. I've hatched out four babies so far and plenty more on the way. I set them up much like you do and feed the same. What are the temps? I tend to keep my animals warmer than most. I'll post some more pics of babies soon.

Nathan Hall
08-03-2006, 06:58 PM
A couple of recent hatchlings
http://www.geckosunlimited.com/E.agricolae14.jpg

http://www.geckosunlimited.com/E.agricolae15.jpg

Ken Bartenfeld
08-03-2006, 07:31 PM
I have had good luck with them Matjaz...9 good eggs right now...but I don't count them as babies till they hatch!

I have had mine do that as well, dig under and not lay something...I wonder if they do it sometimes to retreat from the rest...I put a hide in there, and noticed they would go under it sometimes. Took it out though, because they usually were in there alot!

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d95/KenBartenfeld/IMG_2173.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d95/KenBartenfeld/IMG_2174.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d95/KenBartenfeld/IMG_2175.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d95/KenBartenfeld/IMG_2176.jpg

Group #1

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d95/KenBartenfeld/IMG_2178.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d95/KenBartenfeld/IMG_2177.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d95/KenBartenfeld/IMG_2179.jpg

Ken Bartenfeld
08-03-2006, 07:32 PM
I am worried about my eggs going bad though, my girlfriend threw my container accidentyl with out knowing they were even in there...it was just sitting in the closet...

Ken Bartenfeld
08-03-2006, 07:37 PM
I do not keep mine warm though, I keep mine at 77-80, no heat at all...

Nathan Hall
08-03-2006, 07:59 PM
I do not keep mine warm though, I keep mine at 77-80, no heat at all...
I guess "warm" is relative. I don't let the temps exceed 28 degrees.

Ken Bartenfeld
08-03-2006, 10:23 PM
28 degrees? OMG Nate...your gonna kill them!

Haha! ;-)

mat.si
08-04-2006, 07:23 AM
Hi Ken & Nate!
It seems you are both doing very well with your agricolae.
It's interesting that they look so much different from each other.
Ken's are much more yellow in color. Mine are more greyish, like Natan's, as I also got them from Yuri.

My temperatures are somewhere between 20 and 26 C, going up to about 28 C at the top under the lamp. They spend quite a lot of daytime in the small ficus tree basking under the flourescent tube (the only source of heat).

Iím sure my female wasnít trying to hide, when she was actively digging through the plant substrate. I also gave her an egg laying box, but I only saw her digging in it once. After that she started digging all around the bromelia plant in the pot and went to dig there every time afterwards. She was digging really intensely for a long time. She stayed in the pot for most of one full night and day. No eggs were ever laid, fertile or infertile.

I observed her digging on 3/23/06, 4/25/06 and again on 7/14/06.
I observed a copulation with the younger male on 5/29/06, shortly after he was introduced into her terrarium and on 6/12/06, before he was removed due to his hemipenis injury.
I also observed her copulating with the older male on 6/13/06, a day after he was returned to the terrarium.

I really donít have a clue, why she never lays any eggs. She looks huge, but I really canít tell, if sheís ever actually gravid or not. She never had any problems, so I donít think she would be egg bound or something.

Ken, it looks you have your hands full with them. :) I really hope your eggs will still hatch.

Matjaz

mat.si
08-04-2006, 07:52 AM
Here's a photo of my female copulating with the younger male on 5/29/06 at 8:31 pm.

The photo was taken through the front glass, as I didn't want to disturb them too much.
She also has some baby food on her head, as she was running away from him and dived right into the baby food. :)

http://tinypic.com/23kyslx.jpg

Matjaz

Nathan Hall
08-04-2006, 12:01 PM
Mine are more greyish, like Natan's, as I also got them from Yuri.

We also picked up a few from Jerry last year. I have several specimens that tend to get lime green as well.

Ken Bartenfeld
08-04-2006, 12:28 PM
Here you go Matjaz!

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d95/KenBartenfeld/IMG_1720.jpg

Just for you, now it took him a while to actually "find the hole"...this is without a flash and late at night...

Ken Bartenfeld
08-04-2006, 12:30 PM
The ones that are lime green aren't related to anything on the market is why, I can't go into details...but lets just say that they are from a good source of my friends and are of a strong bloodline :-)

Nathan Hall
08-04-2006, 12:45 PM
The ones that are lime green aren't related to anything on the market is why, I can't go into details.
I think you've mentioned that a few dozen times :roll: The babies tend to be pretty dark at birth. Please post some pics of your babies when they hatch, Ken. I have a couple girls that can go from a very dark color, with distinct bands to lime green (hence the common name). I'll try to get some shots when my girls are "limed out". You do have some stunning geckos, Ken. You know I have to give you crap from time to time. You're like the little brother I never wanted :lol: .

http://www.geckosunlimited.com/E.agricolae5.jpg

Ken Bartenfeld
08-04-2006, 01:04 PM
I think you've mentioned that a few dozen times
Uhhhh oh...hit Nates weak spot :-) You know you want them punk! Just can't have them!!!

I have noticed this Nate...when they are stressed the bands turn dark. Thats my personal experience so far.

I have sent out my line to Patrick Nabors, so he will be working with them as well. When I first got these I had to seperate and "take care" of them and make sure they were "healthy", only had one female die...which is a great mortality rate! It was worth it, she had turned BLACK.

Nathan Hall
08-04-2006, 01:32 PM
Weak spot? No, just letting you know that most can turn that color. Love ya'

Nathan Hall
08-04-2006, 01:34 PM
BTW, my real "weak spot" is Phyllurus and Saltuarius. They all make me drool.

Ken Bartenfeld
08-04-2006, 01:38 PM
Well obviously they can, since mine do...and as you mentioned earlier that yours often do...and I guess you'd be that tall older (OLD) brother I never wanted too, lol...:twisted:

Thats a pic of a girl right Nathan?

Nathan Hall
08-04-2006, 01:42 PM
and I guess you'd be that tall older (OLD) brother I never wanted too, lol...
Do you guys feel the love? I am jealous of your age. 20's were fun. Now I'm supposed to be responsible. What's that about?!?!

Yes, that's one of the girls.

Ken Bartenfeld
08-04-2006, 01:47 PM
I kind of see a sexual diamorphism thing or whatever in these, can you yet?

Hahaha, you still party like a 20 year old, I am the one over hear stuck doing good deeds (not for looooong ;-))

JBReptiles
08-04-2006, 03:09 PM
You guys are too cute.

Ken Bartenfeld
08-04-2006, 03:24 PM
Haha!