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klondike4001
04-03-2007, 12:13 AM
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ReptileChick
04-03-2007, 12:22 AM
Wow, that is just beautiful.

klondike4001
04-03-2007, 12:39 AM
Thanks.

klondike4001
02-11-2008, 12:48 AM
Update

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Scott F
02-11-2008, 09:02 AM
Hey Jonathon,
I would like to start a tank similar in size and appearance as yours to display a frog fish.
If you dont mind, about how much money do you think you have invested in this particular set-up, minus the fish.
Thanks,
Scott

klondike4001
02-11-2008, 12:03 PM
The fish are the cheapest thing in this tank, it's the coral that adds the cost here. Minus the coral and the metal halide, you're looking at about $500-700 depending on how much live rock you invest in and whether or not you use a skimmer. If you factor in the coral in this setup, the cost easily exceeds $3,000. This tank has a sump/refugium in the stand, it holds another ~20 gals. Let me know if that answered your questions.

Scott F
02-11-2008, 12:22 PM
I was figuring around a grand. thats a lot of money. As frog fish are sedentary predominantly, maybe i will look into one of those smaller all inclusive setups..............nano?...........; what are your thoughts with those.
not really sure what the maximum gallon size for one of those systems would be.

klondike4001
02-11-2008, 12:29 PM
I used a 24 Gallon Nanocube for a while and wasn't dissapointed. But at the time the Oceanic Biocubes weren't available. After test one of those, I wouldn't recommend anything else, the 29 gallon biocube is a safe bet, with one of those you'll be looking at about $400 minus LR, so about $500 w/ LR.

lessthantito
02-15-2008, 08:27 PM
that is an awesome aquarium I love all the coral it's almost like a mini underwater forest

klondike4001
02-16-2008, 12:50 PM
Thanks.

Scott F
02-16-2008, 02:08 PM
Hey Jonathon,
i have done my research. I am going to set up a 20 L reef tank.
I have decided to go with the Tunze nano skimmer, 1 Tunze nano powerhead, and the 30 inch Current USA Sundial T5 HO 4 x 24W w/timers and LED. The tank will consist of about 20 pounds live sand, 25 pounds or so live rock, inverts, and one of the smaller species of frogfish. For the corals it will be mostly dominated by soft types, and a few hard types attached to the highest pieces of rock. Even though I will not have metal halides, I think that the shallowness of the tank and the high light output of the T5s will be more than adaquate to create a very colorful display of inverts.

What do you think of the equipment I will be running? What is the most reliable heater for this size tank and in what wattage?

I was also looking into the Current USA Orbit fitures utilizing PC flourescents. I was leaning towards the T5s because more and more people seem to prefer them over the other. They are both 24 inch tubes, but the overal watts used is less in the T5s. Do you think the T5s will put out a better color quality and strength of light compared to the PCs?

Your input would be greatly appreciated. Anybody can tell by the healthy state of your tank that you really have nano reef keeping down pat.

Scott

klondike4001
02-16-2008, 02:47 PM
That setup sounds pretty good, I'd recommend the t5's less heat, and better light output, and yes in most cases they do outperform the pc's. I've used both for several different applications and am far more pleased with the outcome using the t5's. If you plan to keep corals I would recommend a refugium, for nitrate control. You can either make one yourself, pm me for details on making one, but I'd recommend buying one, less hassle and they only run about $25 for the size you need
http://i22.ebayimg.com/02/i/02/b0/2b/60_12_s.JPG

Here's a link to a good one for what you want to do, when you're ready to set it up let me know, I can mail you some well established chaetomorpha algae for your fuge.
PRO 12 REFUGIUM for AQUARIUM Live Coral Algae Rock - eBay (item 350008704223 end time Feb-19-08 18:24:31 PST) (http://cgi.ebay.com/PRO-12-REFUGIUM-for-AQUARIUM-Live-Coral-Algae-Rock_W0QQitemZ350008704223QQihZ022QQcategoryZ3212Q QtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262)

klondike4001
02-16-2008, 02:54 PM
Oh, and about heaters, I use these 2:
Pro-Heat Titanium IC Heaters (http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_AquariumPage~PageAlias~heaters_won_brothers_pro-heat_titanium.html)
Aquarium Pharmaceuticals RENA SmartHeater 50 Watt (Saltwater Aquarium Supplies > Heaters > Inline/ Specialty ) (http://www.marinedepot.com/ps_ViewItem~SearchStr~smartheater~action~view~idPr oduct~AP7151~idCategory~FIHTIH~category~Aquarium_P harmaceuticals_RENA_SmartHeater_50_Watt_Saltwater_ Aquarium_Supplies_Heaters_Inline__Specialty~vendor ~.html)

Scott F
02-17-2008, 10:19 AM
Jonathan,

Thanks for the links. I am going with the T5s, just needed some reassurance from somebody that has used both types of lighting.

Ok, at first I was thinking the fuge in addition to the protein skimmer may be a little overkill on a nano. In my eyes thats why some have headed in the direction of the nano........smaller and simpler in setup. I definately do not want a sump tank for sure. Now I am thinking a small hang on refugium may be a good idea.

I have learned about the opposit light cycle maintained for the fuge, using LR rubble instead of the bio balls, and to add a chamber of living sand and algae. Can you explain a liitle to me why it would be better for me to operate my tank in the long run with this addition........

If I run the protein skimmer along with the fuge, what would be the best on off cycle? I have read that some people do not use the skimmer because they believe it draws a lot of plankton and micro algae (nutrition) out of the tank. Is it a good investment to buy a protein skimmer?
Should I run the protien skimmer all the time and maybe turn it off only for feedings, or run only three to four days a week? Need lots of help with this part.:roll:

Hope you have the time to respond.
Thanks again.
Scott

klondike4001
02-17-2008, 10:52 AM
You have 2 choices for the on/off cycle for the fuge. you can run it oposite the main tank light schedule, or you can run it 24/7, that's what most of us do. With regards to the LR vs. bio-balls, the bio balls will run out over time and they'll ahve to be replaced, the LR has a infinite usage time on it, that an naturally it'll clean itself out(bristle worms, pods, hermits, snails). The LR does a much better filtration job on a tank that bio-balls will ever do anyways.

The skimmer will remove some of the plankton and micro algae's, but it'll remove a lot more of the stuff that the good. If you wanted just turn off the skimmer for a few house when dosing phyto to the tank, that's the easiest way to do it. You'll want the skimmer to keep the nutrient load in the tank down, if too many nutrients are present you'll get bad cyano and hair algae blooms. You only need to run the skimmer 3-4 days an week and it'll be fine. And to that last question, it's a very good investment to purchase a protein skimmer.


About the fuge, in a nano nitrates are your greatest enemy. The macro algaes you'll grow in the fuge are nitrate feeders, it'll save you in the long run. It'll also be a great breeding spot for baby shrimp and pods(both signs a of a healthy tank). The skimmer and fuge attack different areas of the cleaning in a reef. Once again skimmer take on the excess nutrients and remove then from your system(just a warning, the skimmer will remove salt from the water, it's normal, but just a heads up, you'll have to check your salinity once a week, if you get worried, twice), and the fuge is your nitrate remover.
Any other questions, just let me know,
Jonathan




I have learned about the opposit light cycle maintained for the fuge, using LR rubble instead of the bio balls, and to add a chamber of living sand and algae. Can you explain a liitle to me why it would be better for me to operate my tank in the long run with this addition........

If I run the protein skimmer along with the fuge, what would be the best on off cycle? I have read that some people do not use the skimmer because they believe it draws a lot of plankton and micro algae (nutrition) out of the tank. Is it a good investment to buy a protein skimmer?
Should I run the protien skimmer all the time and maybe turn it off only for feedings, or run only three to four days a week? Need lots of help with this part.

Scott F
02-18-2008, 01:59 PM
I decided to use a refugium as i have now learned more about them; it seems to me in combination with my protein skimmer and the near absence of fish (1 small frogfish), the water should be pretty easy to keep in balance.

I wanted to use a little nicer, "cleaner looking" refugium. I have decided to go with the CPR Aquafuge 2 Hang - on Refugium. I am not sure which size to get. There is only $20.00 difference between the small and medium size.

For a 20 Long aquarium (30 x 12 x 12)-
SMALL: 13L x 4.5W x 12H
MEDIUM: 19L x 4.5W x 12H

Jonathan, if it was your tank what one would you go with and why? I think I am leaning towards the MEDIUM. Is the weight going to be too big for this size tank..maybe blow out the back pane of glass?

Scott

klondike4001
02-18-2008, 02:43 PM
I would go with the smaller one just because I'd only have one fish, and one fish doesn't rcreate much of a bioload on an aquarium system. If I plan to add more fish at a later date I'd want to go with the larger one. I wouldn't worry about the back pane being damaged, but if you're worried, just stick a small piece of wood under it to keep the weight off the tank. As it sounds now though, the weight will be placed on whatever surface the main tank is sitting on.

Scott F
02-19-2008, 08:16 AM
I will be using a wrought iron, straight legged stand by perfecto (not the scroll style) for a modern, clean or minimalist look. So the tank will solely be supporting the weight of the refugium..........

Maybe in the future I would swap out the frog fish for a small group of small sized fish. About how many fish could each of the above refugiums handle in terms of nitrate breakdown?

At most a couple of clowns or sea horses or pipefish, shrooms, zoas, soft corals, clean up crew.

Still go with the small refugium? My tank will always be mostly inverts. But I have heard bigger is better with the refugiums.

klondike4001
02-19-2008, 09:22 AM
Bigger is better, if you plan to add more fish, especially sea horses or pipe fish (both require very heavy feedings quite often) you'll want to go with the large one to start out with, it will also help cut down on your tank's initial cycle time. You may want to zip-tie a piece of wood to the stand to help distrubute the weight of the fuge, I've never heard of one breaking the back of a tank, but being precautious isn't usually a bad thing.