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springtech
10-18-2008, 04:53 PM
First of all this is my first post here so hello to everyone... I use other forums but this one seems best for gecko's obviously lol..

So I ended up taking in this tokay which was not being properly cared for....
http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp66/springtech/Tokay/CIMG3715.jpg

I think its a male but was told its a female?

http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp66/springtech/Tokay/CIMG3718.jpg

What do you guys think?

Thanks

pyro4fun
10-18-2008, 09:07 PM
looks like a nice enclosure for now, you might want to add some more places to hide for it like some cork tubes or even a log house.
Im not an expert but it looks like a male to me.
Have you heard any mating calls at night?

springtech
10-19-2008, 07:59 PM
Yeah definatly needs more stuff but for quarentine it should do. No mating calls yet only had him a few nights but he is roaming around at night.

rhacoboy
10-19-2008, 10:31 PM
Nice enclosure! I do agree however that you should add some more plants or logs for him or her to hide. One way to sex them is to rub your finger over the vent, if it feels waxy, its a male

springtech
10-19-2008, 11:59 PM
Hahaha... yeah ill pass on that method for the tokay... shes not exactly down with the belly rubs lol, but thanks for the tip.

cliff_f
10-20-2008, 12:25 AM
It is a male. If you look close at the vent picture you can see a waxy substance coming out of the pores.

Like everyone else said the cage looks good except it needs a better spot for him to hide if he wants to.

springtech
10-20-2008, 02:20 PM
Great, thank you very much guys, I'll post updates once in awhile if you want. cya

Saille
10-21-2008, 02:21 PM
I was also gonna say male, but grats it looks like a nice fat healthy tokay! Good on you for rescuing him! :)

fickle
10-21-2008, 03:11 PM
looks good i think your tokay will be very happy in that

springtech
10-21-2008, 04:46 PM
Thanks guys :)

springtech
10-28-2008, 12:12 AM
bump

Ingo
10-28-2008, 03:13 AM
Hm,

remember tokays are arboreal lizards. If they have the chance, they avoid to go to the ground at all. In your tank the animal has no choice but hiding in the cave on the ground.
This is extremely unatural and puts strong stress on the animal. You might not see signs of stress, but I guarantee, this animal is permanently heavily stressed.
Also the tank by far is not tall enough. A 1 ft arboral lizard should have the chance to climb vertically for at least 4 to 5 feet. And that is still a short distance relative to its size. Recommended mimimum height for a tokay tank should be 4 ft-which is well accepted in Europe but for some strange reason is not liked by many US keepers. The branches you have installed in your tank may be nice for your eye, but hey are of no use for the gecko. Tokays prefer to climb on surfaces exceeding their body diameter and avoid branches of small diameter if they do have the choice. Also they need some security and shelter to be confident not to be seen but be able to see everything themselves. Thus a tokay tank has to be heavily furnished with really thick branches and logs, needs a fake bark or rock backwall with vertical crevices large enough to hide in, rathe dense foliage and enough place to run around.
Your tank my be sufficient for a pair of pictus or sth. But it definitely is nothing I would keep a tokay in other than for quarantine.
Sorry for the strict words, but I am convinced you do want the best for your pets and just do not know better. There is so much inappropriate information on herp husbandry readily available that it might not be easy to select the reasionable stuff from all the crap.

Ingo

Knobtailman
10-28-2008, 10:49 AM
Hey, that tokay has a very strong vibrant color, so start breedin him soon! Actually though I think you should have left him in the hex tank with some pothos wrapping up the branches because this tank is too short for him, then you could put the big Eyed tree frogs in the tank that he is in now. Hope everything goes well!

springtech
10-28-2008, 11:58 PM
Dam Ingo .. laying it down... its just temporary but I do appeciate all the comments and suggestions.
Thank You

Ingo
10-29-2008, 03:48 AM
Hey, do not feel offended, ist all just about animal care and how to provide best conditions.
Anyhow, I stick to every point I said and believe me, endocrinological diagnosis would still find high stress markers in your animal (this kind of analysis is well established for tokays).
Luckily its easy and cheap to build you own appropriately sized tokay enclusore. Just use coated chipboard, make the botom part waterproof by pont foil and insert sliding glass in the front which you may take from old windows. Contruct a fake rock or bark backwall and ready you are. Costs you less than 100 bucks for a 100 gallon. and on the technical side you do not need expensive stuff for tokays either.
Also it is much fun building your own custom made enclosure.
To encourage you: Here is an example of a tokay enclosure of 44 X 24 X 55" which I build within one day:
tiezilinks pictures from friends & fun photos on webshots (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/1311687818067556490rDyKXF)

And here is one more example of enclosures I built this way:
terrawand2 pictures from friends & fun photos on webshots (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/1311687622067556490PCgfPP)

Its easy, cheap and much better for your tokay than what you have now.
Give it a try!!!!

Ingo

springtech
10-29-2008, 05:09 PM
Thanks for the info and pics...
I have some melamine to build an enclosure but still waiting on more materials... I will post progress if I ever get started on it.
Also its not gonna be ideal for the tokay either since the dimensions of each enclosure will be 4'x2'x2' (LxWxH) and can't be oriented since its actually two 2'x2'x8' cabinets stacked... heres a pic of the design...
http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp66/springtech/Enclosures/2x2x8repencl.jpg
I'm still working on it.

Maybe i can make a taller corner unit for the tokay one day.
Cya

cliff_f
11-02-2008, 10:13 AM
Springtech, I dont keep mine in 100g aquariums either and they have done fine for years now. Ingo is right bigger is always better but they can do just fine in something smaller than 100gal. I have kept them that way and I know alot of other people who have for years and the tokays are still alive and thriving.

springtech
11-05-2008, 12:06 AM
Ok thank you cliff, thats good for me to hear. I do want the best for him and I will be able to build him a palace one day!

springtech
11-08-2008, 01:56 AM
Heres my progress so far...
http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp66/springtech/Enclosures/IMAG0016-1.jpg


Im trying to get it done as soon as I can so then I can hopefully get on to building a new Tokay enclosure. Since I feel so guilty now :(

So do you think one side of this enclosure would be better to pput him into untill I can build a bigger one?
or would the stress of catching and moving him to a new enviroment be unecessary, since he seems to be doing very well now?
Comment appreciated. Thank you

springtech
11-13-2008, 01:29 AM
Wow the comments are overwhelming lol...


Anyways its getting closer....
http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp66/springtech/Enclosures/CIMG3814.jpg
http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp66/springtech/Enclosures/CIMG3812.jpg
http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp66/springtech/Enclosures/CIMG3813.jpg
http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp66/springtech/Enclosures/CIMG3818.jpg
http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp66/springtech/Enclosures/CIMG3817.jpg

I was planning on using these enclosures for rescue/adopted snakes and/or terstial lizards....
But do you guys think I should use half of this enclosure for the tokay?
Its definatly a bigger space but its not exactly an aboreal setup, because of its shape and it might have humidity issuess with the perferated back.
So the tokays current tank is 12"Dx20"Hx30"L, where as half of this new enclosure is 24"Dx24"Hx48"L
So what do you think?
Thank you in advance.

Ingo
11-13-2008, 02:20 AM
Do it! It truly is not realyl arboreal, but after all, provides much more space and thus the gecko will benefit significantly.

BR

Ingo

springtech
11-24-2008, 04:04 AM
Thanks Ingo

So here is a few pics of the enclosure in use....
http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp66/springtech/Enclosures/CIMG3946.jpg
http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp66/springtech/Enclosures/CIMG3941.jpg
http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp66/springtech/Tokay/CIMG3942.jpg

Also he doesnt seem to like crickets that much, which I belive is due to his previous improper diet. I would say he only eats maybe a dozen max all week, but he practically attacks me when he sees a pinky coming. He's not a big fan of the roaches either. He does seem to like the worms but only if hand fed... So my question is: How many mice per month, max can you feed a tokay this size and not be unhealthy? I have been feeding 4 per month but I still offer a varity of insects to him for his diet and will continue to do so, I'm curious to hear other peoples opinions/experiences.

Thank You

cliff_f
11-24-2008, 12:49 PM
You should only feed them pinky mice once a month or so. He will learn to like the crickets and crickets should be the staple diet in my opinion. If you want to feed him meal worms they are ok for the occasional treat.

springtech
11-27-2008, 01:13 AM
I see, well thanks for the reply. I will cut back to once a month as im curently feeding him one per week since he hasent taken to the crix all that well and I was worried he wouldnt eat. He kind of goes for various worms but I only keep mealies and get super/wax/etc once a month'ish where as I breed the crix so would like to get him on them consistantly. Now that hes comfortable in his new home I'll try to change his diet. I guess if hes hungry enough he'll go for the crix.
Thanks Cliff

Oh almost forgot, here's a couple recent shots of him....
http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp66/springtech/Tokay/CIMG3949.jpg
http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp66/springtech/Tokay/CIMG3950.jpg
http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp66/springtech/Tokay/CIMG3951.jpg

springtech
12-13-2008, 11:19 PM
Dead Link... sorry...

Saille
12-15-2008, 04:55 PM
Awww, he's not aggro at all! :) Nice video, I think you have potential with that Tokay to handle him eventually. He's nice and healthy looking!

springtech
12-20-2008, 03:06 PM
Awww, he's not aggro at all! :) Nice video, I think you have potential with that Tokay to handle him eventually. He's nice and healthy looking!

Thank you kindly

springtech
01-01-2009, 06:42 PM
I am pleased to say, that he seems to be doing very well now.

springtech
01-10-2009, 02:58 PM
Hey all,
So I'm contiplating the thought of introducing a female into this males enclosure and am looking for your input on this.
Thank you

springtech
10-16-2009, 04:32 AM
Havent been around much but I finally managed to get my hands on a nice female for a mate. Cleaned up this old thread a bit too.

Here is a few pics of her and her enclosure....

http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp66/springtech/Tokay/CIMG5414.jpg

http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp66/springtech/Tokay/CIMG5419.jpg

http://i398.photobucket.com/albums/pp66/springtech/Tokay/CIMG5418.jpg

Cheers

holocaustto
10-16-2009, 09:47 AM
hehehe beautiful girl