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jpstodwftexas
05-17-2010, 11:08 PM
Another sad day for the Hobby
Terry Cullen's animals seized: sad and infuriating

http://www.fox6now.com/news/witi-100513-exotic-animals-story,0,6418101.story

http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/93800689.html

turbogecko
03-18-2011, 08:13 AM
Man I hate cops so useless. They use a freaking swat team to go into the place and yet they are afraid of two dogs so they shot them such Political BS and no reason for the warrant :-x. I don't know how that doesn't apply to the criminal code, manslaughter is still manslaughter wether it's a person or animal.

Holly12
04-20-2011, 11:53 AM
This is BS because you should not be having any alligators in your home or owening them they are very dangerous. I am glad that they got rid of them and going to put them whear they belong in a zoo or whear it's safe. You can't be having dangerous reptiles and if one gets lose it could hurt someone very badly.

jpstodwftexas
04-20-2011, 08:37 PM
This is BS because you should not be having any alligators in your home or owening them they are very dangerous. I am glad that they got rid of them and going to put them whear they belong in a zoo or whear it's safe. You can't be having dangerous reptiles and if one gets lose it could hurt someone very badly.

Police executed a search warrant on Cullen's building on Wednesday afternoon and found the animals. Why the warrant was issued in the first place has yet to be revealed. But when officers first entered the building, they felt threatened by some dogs that met them at the door. Those officers shot and killed two Tibetan mastiffs.

you do not find a problem with that?

Wonder what you would feel like having your door kicked in while you were not home and your animals were seized and some of your pets killed?

Holly12
04-20-2011, 10:04 PM
LOL frist off you need to grow up and 2 I can see just fine I don't need to have all of that red writing in my face. I have a real problem when pepole have dangerous reptiles in there homes and those dogs might have when after the police so yeah if that happen then they have every right to shoot them. So you need to move on with that attitude you have and get with life my dear. :rolleyes:

jpstodwftexas
04-21-2011, 12:07 AM
LOL frist off you need to grow up and 2 I can see just fine I don't need to have all of that red writing in my face. I have a real problem when pepole have dangerous reptiles in there homes and those dogs might have when after the police so yeah if that happen then they have every right to shoot them. So you need to move on with that attitude you have and get with life my dear. :rolleyes:

But still you do not have a problem with the police busting in Doors for no Legitimate reason and the Go..Opps but look what we found...I Imagine that if you did enough research you just might have an Illegal animal in your collection..and you local wildlife expect might say your abusing your animal because it is underfeed and neglected and you can go to jail

Holly12
04-21-2011, 12:33 PM
If too many pepole start complaning and there is enough to go on then they have the right to remove those animals. Alligators are very dangerous and should not be kept in in homes with pepole. They are wild animals and if given a chance they will go and can kill someone and small kids. And you say for no reason? they had every reason to get in there and get those dangerous animals out of there. Safety comes frist and I was living very close by him and found out that there is dangerous animals in there I would want the police to get them out. Befor they get out and hurt someone or a child we need to look at safety and we need to make sure that everyone is safe having dangerous animals is not keeping others safe.

Sgvreptiles
04-21-2011, 01:18 PM
Keeping a alligator in home is no different then a gun or chemicals. All can kill, but if someone is RESPONSIBLE then its not an issue. I know many people who have kept venomous(I myself have). I have no idea what his set up was like. If he was keeping it in a little 12 inch kitty pool then yea, I might think thats not a proper set up for the animal(If there freaking out over baby alligators then they are idiots, they should start attacking pet shops for baby burmese pythons then).I doubt they pulled a 9ft alligator out of there. Its wrong for what they did. The hobby gets attacked quite often, and there are some people that make us look bad.

Holly12
04-21-2011, 01:44 PM
LOL okay I am not going to say anything because this is so stupid and this thread is not even wroth my time. Iam not for alligators or any other dangerous aniamls being in someone's home they belong in zoos or in the wild not in your home. Just like keeping a bear in your home it does not belong there. And Venomous snakes should not be kept in your home all it takes is for it to strike and thats it. I can't tell you how many pepole have got killed becuase they have had venomous or other dangerous aniamls in there home. Or they have bears or lions lol they are not ment to be in your house they are ment to be in the wild or somewhear they can not harm pepole.

Saskia
04-21-2011, 02:45 PM
What is all this mess?? he he he, well, I actually have to say that MORE PEOPLE get killed every year for dog bites, guns, car accidents, OBESITY, heart attacks, drug or alcohol abuse than for keeping "dangerous animals" ..... Police officers did VERY BAD by killing those dogs, they were only defendig their home!! I have to agree with jpstodfwtexas, bad move from the police!! If they DID wanted to start an investigation they should have done it differently, and the dogs would be fine right now, if they wanted to take away the animals there are better ways to do it. It is amillion times more dangerous to keep guns in a house, that means the police should attack every one who owns a gun?? THEY OWN GUNS THEMSELVES!!

Saskia
04-21-2011, 02:47 PM
IF his animals were not well kept, it is ok that they wanted to remove them, but otherwise is just as dangerous owning a dog, as I stated before, more people get injured by dogs every year than by "dangerous animals" (I also love dogs, by the way, nothing against them, just feels a little hypocrit to attack "dangerous animals" when labrador retriever is the #1 animal to attack human beings every year)

Holly12
04-21-2011, 03:06 PM
Okay I am lost to what to say now everyone is sticking up for this man that had dangerous reptiles in his home. You should not have them unless you know that they are not going to harm others. Everyone has there opinion on this well I have mines and that's how I see it. We should not be getting into it we should be expressing our opinion like adults not kids.

jpstodwftexas
04-21-2011, 07:22 PM
First of all the animals were not kept in his home..They were in Locations set up to house the Animals.

If it is not worth your time then why keep commenting.

Follow up some on the Article..notice you can't find hardly anything other than the first few Sensationalized stories about.

So Called Expert who have no knowledge on these Animals commenting on how bad they were kept..

There ain't anyone who would agree that if the animals were mistreated then they should have been taken..One Follow up Story told how the Animals were taken from the People who confiscated them because they were being kept in bad conditions there...irony

Some people know that there have been several situation where the Hobby has been called to view because of several High Profile Cases trying to close down the Hobby by a certain well known animals right group.

Straight Forward Question...How would you feel if Cops showed up at your Door because They had a Tip you Sold Drugs and shot your dogs because They Claimed they were afraid the Dogs were gonna attack them and then decide to confiscate your Animals because Someone said they were Kept in Bad Conditions?

siouxie
04-21-2011, 08:31 PM
it surprises me that if their warrant was in relation to dangerous animals, why were they not prepared for two dogs?????? obviously, they think dogs are far more dangerous than alligators otherwise all his pets would have been shot.

jpstodwftexas
04-21-2011, 09:03 PM
it surprises me that if their warrant was in relation to dangerous animals, why were they not prepared for two dogs?????? obviously, they think dogs are far more dangerous than alligators otherwise all his pets would have been shot.

Surprise Surprise the warrant was not about the warrant..oh so they say...but ! ! !

gizmo143
04-21-2011, 10:01 PM
Gosh the cops are clueless... I completely agree with Turbogecko and those poor dogs where probably someone's beloved pets. If they were there with Gators, and giant snakes but they aren't prepared for two dogs?! like, what?! If the animals were badly kept and such, then taking them could be the correct decision, if not, the poor guy should be left alone. To burst into a building and take animals without reason is ridiculous.:paddle:

Holly12
04-21-2011, 10:05 PM
:roll:
First of all the animals were not kept in his home..They were in Locations set up to house the Animals.

If it is not worth your time then why keep commenting.

Follow up some on the Article..notice you can't find hardly anything other than the first few Sensationalized stories about.

So Called Expert who have no knowledge on these Animals commenting on how bad they were kept..

There ain't anyone who would agree that if the animals were mistreated then they should have been taken..One Follow up Story told how the Animals were taken from the People who confiscated them because they were being kept in bad conditions there...irony

Some people know that there have been several situation where the Hobby has been called to view because of several High Profile Cases trying to close down the Hobby by a certain well known animals right group.

Straight Forward Question...How would you feel if Cops showed up at your Door because They had a Tip you Sold Drugs and shot your dogs because They Claimed they were afraid the Dogs were gonna attack them and then decide to confiscate your Animals because Someone said they were Kept in Bad Conditions?

Like I said I have the right to my opinion and you have the right to yours let's move on shall we. :roll:

jpstodwftexas
04-21-2011, 10:08 PM
So your opinion is that Cops can use Bogus Charges to Take what they Want and to kill animals just because You believe that certain Animals should not be owned

thehotchik1000
04-22-2011, 02:19 AM
Well I don't think some people should have children. But guess what they still get the right to reproduce. Darn it! Anyways it's pretty simple how I feel about this. If you have the space, knowledge, and money to provide for animals as such then you should be able to get a permit to do so. As for what the cops did. That is complete and utter crap. The came prepared take gator but they couldn't back the heck up from the dogs for two seconds and get animal control to restrain them to execute this "search warrant" right ok that makes sence. Looks to me that these tips came from people with an intrest in making a very public scene so that the ban this and ban that issues can still go on. Whatever no due dilligence as usual I've come to expect no less. The people need to fight back and say your opinions and views on the subject. Then and only then will the whole community and government be able to come to some sort of compromise. And hey if you don't think people should own one type of animal to another that's cool but you can only control yourself. Don't own them. Let others make their own decisions.

Holly12
04-22-2011, 02:07 PM
Well I don't think some people should have children. But guess what they still get the right to reproduce. Darn it! Anyways it's pretty simple how I feel about this. If you have the space, knowledge, and money to provide for animals as such then you should be able to get a permit to do so. As for what the cops did. That is complete and utter crap. The came prepared take gator but they couldn't back the heck up from the dogs for two seconds and get animal control to restrain them to execute this "search warrant" right ok that makes sence. Looks to me that these tips came from people with an intrest in making a very public scene so that the ban this and ban that issues can still go on. Whatever no due dilligence as usual I've come to expect no less. The people need to fight back and say your opinions and views on the subject. Then and only then will the whole community and government be able to come to some sort of compromise. And hey if you don't think people should own one type of animal to another that's cool but you can only control yourself. Don't own them. Let others make their own decisions.
Ya know what I could not agree with you more so tahts what Iam going to do let others make their own decisions ok case closed.

Palor
04-24-2011, 09:54 PM
I hope he has a good lawyer.

Riverside Reptiles
04-25-2011, 12:31 PM
I'm not going to chime in on the "dangerous animals" aspect of this because it's a huge can of worms and I can see both sides of it. However, as far as the dogs go, if the police had a warrant, then it was completely legal for them to kick the door in. And, in the US, police are trained to shoot any dog that is attacking them. In Maryland a year or two ago, police kicked in the door of a Mayor of the town. His dogs (a black lab and a golden retriever I believe) attacked, and they were shot. It's just police policy. It might be sad. It might suck. But it is what it is. In the minds of the police, if it comes down to being attacked by a dog, or shooting it, they're going to shoot it.

Mickej
04-25-2011, 04:18 PM
Is it illegal to keep reptiles in Milwaukee?

Riverside Reptiles
04-25-2011, 11:46 PM
Is it illegal to keep reptiles in Milwaukee?

Not reptiles in general, but I'm sure that certain reptiles are illegal in Milwaukee. Also, you have to keep in mind that many local laws (city, town, county) can forbid keeping of certain animals. In the county that I'm in, almost any "exotic" animal is illegal. Whether that law is actually enforced is whole different thing. However, if you're breaking those laws, you have nobody but yourself to blame if someone kicks in your door one day.

Holly12
04-26-2011, 12:40 AM
I'm not going to chime in on the "dangerous animals" aspect of this because it's a huge can of worms and I can see both sides of it. However, as far as the dogs go, if the police had a warrant, then it was completely legal for them to kick the door in. And, in the US, police are trained to shoot any dog that is attacking them. In Maryland a year or two ago, police kicked in the door of a Mayor of the town. His dogs (a black lab and a golden retriever I believe) attacked, and they were shot. It's just police policy. It might be sad. It might suck. But it is what it is. In the minds of the police, if it comes down to being attacked by a dog, or shooting it, they're going to shoot it.


Thank you this is what I was trying to tell others on here and I guess it took you to say this. Thanks for saying it maybe now everyone that had post on here will listen too you. :)

Holly12
04-26-2011, 12:45 AM
Not reptiles in general, but I'm sure that certain reptiles are illegal in Milwaukee. Also, you have to keep in mind that many local laws (city, town, county) can forbid keeping of certain animals. In the county that I'm in, almost any "exotic" animal is illegal. Whether that law is actually enforced is whole different thing. However, if you're breaking those laws, you have nobody but yourself to blame if someone kicks in your door one day.


Again lol you are telling them what I have been trying to say I finely have someone that is saying this. IF YOU'RE BREAKING THOSE LAWS YOU HAVE NOBODY BUT YOURSELF TO BLAME IF SOMEONE KICKS IN YOUR DOOR ONE DAY. ;-)

jpstodwftexas
04-26-2011, 12:58 AM
Your Missing the point...
Several Raids were conducted previously on Established People and Reptile Businesses UnWarranted Charges were used as the Basis of those Raids.

The Warrant used to Raid Terry had nothing to do with the possession of the Animals.

Terry is considered one of the World's Leading Expert on the Chinese Alligator not just some Wanna be who owned one illegally.

I will ask you again..If your place gets raided using false charges and the Police raid your place and claim your pets are abused and confiscate them will you say "Oh Well, My Bad...Take them I am happy with What you Did."?

Simple Answer YES or NO

Holly12
04-26-2011, 01:07 AM
Your Missing the point...
Several Raids were conducted previously on Established People and Reptile Businesses UnWarranted Charges were used as the Basis of those Raids.

The Warrant used to Raid Terry had nothing to do with the possession of the Animals.

Terry is considered one of the World's Leading Expert on the Chinese Alligator not just some Wanna be who owned one illegally.

I will ask you again..If your place gets raided using false charges and the Police raid your place and claim your pets are abused and confiscate them will you say "Oh Well, My Bad...Take them I am happy with What you Did."?

Simple Answer YES or NO

No your missing the point now do I have to get Ethan? I will not say it again. That guy had no right having dangerous reptiles and yes the police had every right to bust down his door. So I don't have any venoumous or dangerous reptiles so I am not giving you a answer. Plus I would never own a dangerous or venomous reptile it's stupid. :roll::roll:

Riverside Reptiles
04-26-2011, 11:33 AM
Your Missing the point...
Several Raids were conducted previously on Established People and Reptile Businesses UnWarranted Charges were used as the Basis of those Raids.

The Warrant used to Raid Terry had nothing to do with the possession of the Animals.

Terry is considered one of the World's Leading Expert on the Chinese Alligator not just some Wanna be who owned one illegally.

I will ask you again..If your place gets raided using false charges and the Police raid your place and claim your pets are abused and confiscate them will you say "Oh Well, My Bad...Take them I am happy with What you Did."?

Simple Answer YES or NO

If the cops kick your door in on a warrant for stealing a candy bar, and they find a pile of cocaine on your table, they're going to charge you with possession of cocaine. Likewise, if they kick in your door on a sexual assault charge and find illegal or improperly kept animals, they're going to charge you with that as well.

I'm not saying that Terry is guilty. But I do have a hard time believing that a judge and prosecutor (who gave out the warrant), the police force, the Zoo, and the humane society are all in cahoots for some massive conspiracy against Terry or the reptile hobby in general. There are a LOT of exotic animal laws at the local level, and again, if you're breaking those laws, whether you're an "expert" or not, you're still subject to having to follow those laws. Race car drivers don't get to speed on public highways simply because they're "expert" drivers.

I'm not saying that this isn't a sad situation. It obviously is. It's sad for Terry, it's REALLY sad for the two dead dogs, and it sucks for the hobby as well, as it gives us all a bad name. But I'm not willing to let Terry off the hook just because he's a well known herper. If he didn't have all of his permits, or the animals were not legal, or they were kept in poor conditions, then he did himself, the animals, and the hobby a disservice by not following the laws. It's likely that many of us have animals that aren't exactly "legal" by the letter of the local laws (many of which are very silly). And for most of us, it will never affect us or our community in any negative way. However, at the end of the day, you're still responsible for breaking those laws if someone comes kicking your door in. Just my 2 cents on the subject.

jpstodwftexas
04-26-2011, 08:27 PM
A lot of what was said was "doctored" and very one sided in reports..

From What I have been able to find out none of the Animals were Illegal and as for actual conditions of the Animals there was never any outside people besides the "Concerned" Agencies were able to view the Conditions to verify the actual conditions the animals. I do not trust people enough to just take their word for it.

My Understanding is that Terry is one of the Few people to actual have permission from the Chinese Government to work with the Chinese Alligator..A Certain Zoo involved asked for permission to have a Pair and Was Denied permission by the Chinese Government but ended up with a pair after they were confiscated...Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

As for Conditions the Animals were kept in everything was definitely One sided in reports. In a Bit of Irony I was able to find 1 Follow up article saying the Agency that was responsible for the Confiscation and Upkeep of the Animals after the Confiscation had many of the Animals removed from their custody because they were being kept in worse conditions than when they were Removed from Terry's Care.

I am so tired of "experts" who have no actual knowledge of the actual animals care telling everyone how bad things are when in fact they really are not that bad.

How many of us have dead crickets or maybe no crickets on hand..If an Expert came in and Claimed you were keeping Animals in an abused state because of it would you be happy. I do not raise crickets nor keep any on hand at all times does that mean I am abusive?

My Natural Cages have animal poop in it does that make it Unsanitary conditions and Abusive?

What about the Fruit flies and Small Bugs crawling around the wet soil and decaying plant material?

Working in the Justice Field I do not condone falsely accusing or manipulating the system to by pass civil rights in order to arrest someone and get around laws and Take things away from someone because of personal beliefs. Apparently to one board member believes it is okay.

If the Animals were Illegal and Were Actually Kept in Bad Conditions then Okay..

I do Not Condone Anyone keeping Illegal Animals and I do Not Condone Abusive People. And I do not condone violating people rights just because I do not like someone keeping a certain type of Animal...Alligator..snake or a type of Dog Either.

Ozymandias
04-26-2011, 08:53 PM
jpstodwftexas brought up the main point that the animals were there legally. but i also want say that many of the animals there had actually been given to him local agency that had confiscated them but could not take care of them, and quite a few of those places where were the animals were sent to once they where confiscated from him.

in the end the whole this is really confusing and we really are only hearing one side of it too.

Riverside Reptiles
04-26-2011, 09:59 PM
I can only base my opinion by the articles that are posted here. I suppose that I could dig through the internet to try to find more, but honestly, I have too many other things going on. It doesn't matter if the Chinese gov't allows him to have the Alligators, if the local city or county law says no alligators, it's illegal. I don't know what the local laws are in his area...but I wouldn't be surprised he wasn't breaking a few of them. The local laws here in my county make it almost impossible to legally own almost any exotic animal. I agree with much that you said, but again, I don't see any evidence to back up any of these theories of conspiracy. And I have no idea where all of your information is coming from or the accuracy of it. At the end of the day though, my opinion obviously doesn't make one bit of difference for or against Terry. Whether he's guilty or not, it's a sad situation. The hobby gets the short end of the stick either way.

AeroWRX
06-20-2011, 01:39 PM
Cullen should definitely take it to court. I don't know exactly what conditions or what the habitat situation is for all the animals in there. Maybe it's even better and more secure than a zoo? We have no facts. But it does look bad for Cullen, if it is as reporters have said there are rotting carcasses inside...

But if I were Cullen I would definitely fight the case in court. I question the legality of owning those animals, but I also question the legality of not owning them. Don't really know the local laws there. Maybe alligators are illegal, but is it illegal to own snakes and lizards? The cops took everything indiscriminately.

Also, if that warrant was falsely issued then the whole situation is moot and Cullen should get all his animals back and sue the local government for the expenditures this has cost him. You cannot use evidence in court from instances where authorities illegally enter a person's property and confiscate a person's property.

What happens if the animal control fails to care for these animals they have confiscated? Cullen can sue animal control as well.

Seems like he was charged with sexual assault..? probably that was the reason why the warrant was issued?