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rudders
08-29-2011, 07:56 AM
Hi, are there any melanistic Freidal line animals about? I have just hatched this little one,165 days in the egg and the only one this pair have produced this year,Any oppinions welcome

Sporonicle
08-29-2011, 10:23 AM
That is a nice gecko! Congrats!

Hannibal
08-29-2011, 05:34 PM
I have no idea, but your hatchling is gorgeous! Congrats!

Yoshi'smom
08-29-2011, 06:20 PM
Like Hannibal, I have no idea either. I do know that that is one doozy of a gecko! What a sight!

rudders
08-30-2011, 01:35 AM
Thanks, I am very pleased with it.

naturechris
08-30-2011, 05:11 AM
Very nice!! like the others, this is the first melanistic friedal line i have seen!! WELL DONE!!

Koghis
11-19-2012, 12:35 PM
Any news on this one? Maybe an updated picture? Do you know a sex yet? Will be hard to find a fitting melanistic friedel line mate for him..

katnip
12-18-2012, 11:56 AM
i love how wrinkly it looks! and i had no idea they spent that long in the egg. congrats! i have lots more to learn.

ciliatus
12-22-2012, 07:31 PM
This looks like a Troeger line to me, not a friedel line. I have hatched a view very dark Friedel Line in the past.

http://www.napalm.at/imgs/leachianus/lnz0410_3.jpg

http://www.napalm.at/imgs/leachianus/lnz0211_3.jpg

http://www.napalm.at/imgs/leachianus/lnz0211_1.jpg

http://www.napalm.at/imgs/leachianus/lnz0411_1.jpg

For comparison this is my melanistic Troeger line animal:

http://www.napalm.at/imgs/troeger/troeger04.jpg

regards

Ingo

Koghis
12-23-2012, 04:23 PM
Ingo, do you have any pictures of those dark friedel animals when they were older? Like, do they stay that dark? :)

ciliatus
12-23-2012, 05:42 PM
Here are updated pictures from one of the buyers, the animal belongs to Lennart Hud and images are also taken by him. I hope he doesnt mind me posting them:

http://www.abload.de/img/img_31453xbau.jpg

http://www.abload.de/img/img_3061v1xhi.jpg

I have none of adult ones since i hatched them in 2011. But they seem to become even darker over time.

Regards

Ingo

mikew1234
12-24-2012, 02:34 AM
Ingo, that third one is extremely nice. I would have kept it. lol. Would melanistic animals look much different from line to line? I've never necessarily seen a Freidal line, but I doubt I would know unless I asked directly.

Koghis
12-24-2012, 09:14 PM
Hello Ingo,

thanks for the pictures.. Looks good.

@ mike: It seems like the dark / can we call them melanistic? Friedel animals keep a little faint bit of pattern which some troeger animals don't. Thats a significant difference and that's why Ingo doubted the origin of the original animal in the thread. If it is friedel line indeed, everything is different.

Best,

ciliatus
12-25-2012, 12:52 AM
Ingo, that third one is extremely nice. I would have kept it. lol. Would melanistic animals look much different from line to line? I've never necessarily seen a Freidal line, but I doubt I would know unless I asked directly.

I think most Troeger line animals have a quite distinctive look to them. The Friedel line animals are more variable in my opinion.

Regards

Ingo

mikew1234
12-25-2012, 02:22 AM
I get what you're saying. I don't think I would consider any but the original post, and Ingo's last one in the first post to be true melanistics though. Friedel line animals are not at all common over here. Most of our stuff is either from Troeger line or Mike Conley's dark lines when it comes to melanistic. I believe the latter are actually just very dark locality geckos. (Mt Koghis, Poindimie)

Koghis
12-25-2012, 05:21 AM
But it is a fact that most geckos from Troeger and Friedel line are not as dark. It is not happening too often that melanistic ones occur on Troeger line. These dark friedel animals seem to pop out lately, i don't know what caused that. Have not seen much before. And the conley animals have nothing to do with Koghis..

mikew1234
12-26-2012, 12:18 AM
Again, thanks for the input. I am not all too knowledgeable when it comes to the Euro lines, though I have been slowly growing a collection through someone in Germany. As for Conley's animals, the only one he has for sale right now on his site is a pure Mt. Koghis, parents pictured are almost black. Not saying there is no relation to Troeger or Friedel's lines at all, but I did assume that geckos like this were likely the way he gets his dark line.

ciliatus
12-26-2012, 04:46 AM
Hi Mike,

from all i know Mike Conley's line is not related to Friedel line or Troeger line at all, but rather with this animal:

http://www.napalm.at/imgs/rhacosp/rhacosp18.jpg
http://www.napalm.at/imgs/rhacosp/rhacosp28.jpg

This is an animal i got from Willi Henkel which is not related to the Mnt. Koghis lines.

Greets

Koghis
12-26-2012, 08:07 AM
Conley is stating that they are Koghis but they can not. If they really came from Henkel, they are not Koghis but rather what Ingo said.

mikew1234
12-26-2012, 08:31 AM
Well that's concerning news.. His site states he keeps Mt. Koghis many times. As well as the dark morph being line bred Mt. Koghis. If you don't mind me asking Ingo, is that gecko a locale gecko, or a GT mix? I don't really keep mainlands, but intend on expanding to them soon, and you guys have been real helpful with my mindset on acquiring quality animals.

ciliatus
12-26-2012, 08:41 AM
Hi Mike,

my animal from Henkel is an F1 of animals he caught himself on Grand Terre. They are a different locality than the other GT's available. Closer to Poindimié than to Mnt. Koghis.
I havent had the chance to talk to Mr. Conley about that topic. I also cant say for sure his are the same as mine. But i have heard (from 3rd party not Mr. Conley) that his animals came from Willi Henkel. They might have been labeled wrong then, which would be the reason why he is calling them Mnt. Koghis. I guess back then, when he got them not too many cared about locality.
Willi Henkel also cant recall who exactly got animals from him back then. But from pictures (which is always very uncertain to judge from) his animals look like my male from Henkel. And if Mr. Conley kept the animals he got pure, and didnt cross any other "Mnt. Koghis" animals in, chances are they are the same as my lonely male.

Regards

Ingo

Replv4ev
01-12-2013, 07:11 AM
Looks like he might turn into a snowflake pattern from the large amount of white speckling that has developed. Otherwise he looks like a troeger to me. You've got a great gecko. My leachie from moro has a symmetrical X pattern with purple blotching running down his back and pink/white striping on the sides and a white neck like the white collared chahoua's. Id get a picture but I dont own a camera and my iPhone is in need of repair. Is there a line or a known pattern thats like this?