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    Hi, I need advice as the vet told me my gecko has gout.

    She is 4.6 years old Asper girl. She has been well on last summer and suddenly has health issue when autumn just starts.

    Illness symption:
    First day - half face with one eye is swollen.
    Third day - vet visit - flushed out abcesses from dry eye, less swollen for that day, with in vitanmin injection A, D & E. was told to use saline (0.9% nacl) to do eye wash daily and apply a drop of antibotic three times a day.
    Forth day - swollen face is back
    Sixth day - back to see the vet. the test result is gout. Tried to flush her eyes with saline and no abscesses coming out.
    I was told there is no treatment. Gout is from high protein diet which she only loves crickets and refused other insects.
    Her existing diet is 7 medium crickets dusted with Rapashy calcium plus hyd rotating with Rapashy calcium hyd + zoo med vitamins daily in summer.

    I was told i have to improve her diet. As our supplier is no longer can import Rapashy product anymore therefore i need to find out what i have to do and how i can help her to recover.
    The vet told me that if she keeps losing weight then, they will put her to sleep . May I know what should i do to help my gecko to recover. I really love my gecko, I am thinking whether I should buy the dry meal worm and canned insects, blend them together as paste for force feeding.
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    Her existing diet is 7 medium crickets dusted with Rapashy calcium plus hyd rotating with Rapashy calcium hyd + zoo med vitamins daily in summer.
    Hi Ica ~

    Do you have Zoo Med's Reptivite multivitamins with D3? Dusting your asper's crickets daily with that seems very excessive! Reptivite contains vitamin A acetate (retinol). Too much retinol is BAD news! One of my vets recommended ONLY dusting with Reptivite multivitamins with D3 at 1 feeding per week.

    Crickets really aren't high in protein at all. Some roaches like Blaptica dubia are higher in protein. What you feed your insects could create a high protein gut level in the insects. When one feeds cat food, dog food, or fish flakes to the insects, that passes along high protein to your geckos.

    Here's the only info I have on gout.

    1. Is there some reason you chose Repashy's calcium plus hyd? I'm really only familiar with Repashy's Calcium Plus all-in-one multivitamins.
    2. Before the symptoms showed up, did you keep this N. asper well hydrated?
    3. Is there some reason you have a new vet?
    4. Can you buy Zoo Med's Natural ADULT Bearded Dragon Food where you live? I grind it up and feed it to my crickets all the time. They clean their plates!
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 05-03-2019 at 06:40 AM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
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    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)
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    I use Repashy’s calcium plus Hyd in summer because she was gravided.
    I keep my Asper in the exo terra terrarium which mesh top. The humidity level is not high therefore, I spray water to my gecko face every night. Last few days it is a bit cold, she stayed inside the cave and I sprayed the water on the rocks. (But she still ate a cricket).
    I see the new vet because my vet is currently on 3 weeks annual leave. I don’t have many choices but the new vet is from the same animal hospital and They both work part time.
    I cannot find the zoo med dragon food in Australia. I feel horrible that most of the famous brands reptile products are not available in Australia.

    Today i just using a syringe to drop the water in front of her. I did not force her to drink the water but she drank a lot. After that, she vomited a lot of sticky mouth water out.
    Will i lose her very soon?

    I keep doing research to see how i can make her feel better. I have checked all my record, she has not lost weight yet. Do i still have a hope for her recovery?
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    Hi,

    Your vet should have discussed a plan. In particular, hydration and pain management. Don’t hesitate to show her this article.
    https://veterinarypartner.vin.com/de...919&id=8049747

    Good luck
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    For varieties of food, I am thinking to buy the mixed insects powder to make a paste so that I can force feed her. If dry insects powder is not available, then I use canned insects to make a paste for her. What do u think?

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    Hi Elizabeth, can I use this one Zoo Med Bearded Dragon Food Juvenile to feed the cricket?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elizabeth Freer View Post
    Hi Ica ~

    Do you have Zoo Med's Reptivite multivitamins with D3? Dusting your asper's crickets daily with that seems very excessive! Reptivite contains vitamin A acetate (retinol). Too much retinol is BAD news! One of my vets recommended ONLY dusting with Reptivite multivitamins with D3 at 1 feeding per week.

    Crickets really aren't high in protein at all. Some roaches like Blaptica dubia are higher in protein. What you feed your insects could create a high protein gut level in the insects. When one feeds cat food, dog food, or fish flakes to the insects, that passes along high protein to your geckos.

    Here's the only info I have on gout.

    1. Is there some reason you chose Repashy's calcium plus hyd? I'm really only familiar with Repashy's Calcium Plus all-in-one multivitamins.
    2. Before the symptoms showed up, did you keep this N. asper well hydrated?
    3. Is there some reason you have a new vet?
    4. Can you buy Zoo Med's Natural ADULT Bearded Dragon Food where you live? I grind it up and feed it to my crickets all the time. They clean their plates!

    Hi Elizabeth, can I use this one- Zoo Med Bearded Dragon Food Juvenile to feed the cricket?

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    Hi Elizabeth, can I use this one Zoo Med Bearded Dragon Food Juvenile to feed the cricket? I am currently feeding the crickets with milk powder, bee pollen , spirulina, apple, carrot , cucumber and any veggie available on that day. Should i remove milk powder and replace soybean meal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by icatsang View Post
    For varieties of food, I am thinking to buy the mixed insects powder to make a paste so that I can force feed her. If dry insects powder is not available, then I use canned insects to make a paste for her. What do u think?
    Try both methods.

    Is that a Repashy product? Do you mean Repashy's Grub Pie? If so be sure to mix it with water.

    Also try making a paste with canned insects.
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 05-04-2019 at 07:21 AM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elizabeth Freer View Post
    Try both methods.

    Is that a Repashy product? Do you mean Repashy's Grub Pie? If so be sure to mix it with water.

    Also try making a paste with canned insects.
    Yes, i have Repashy’s Grub Pie which with crude Protein min. 43%. Will it be too high to treat gout? I am confused.

    I am thinking to feed her 3 times a week, the first feed with be crickets dusted with calcium +D3, (Monday), and second feed (Wednesday) with homemade paste dusted with calcium +d3 +probiotic(mixed with dry mealworm powder + canned silkworm and canned grasshoppers ), and the third feed on Friday will be Grub Pie (mainly black solider fly larvae meal with 43% protein and i give her 3 days to digest). Is that ok?

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