[arta]

Ken didn't answer, I did. I quoted his post because he had helped put up the pics and I added my coments. If the "round things" were not in two of the three tubes leading "away" from the vent, they were overies.

Art

Originally Posted by Paul de Boer, Jr.

thanks, ken, for all your help posting the pics and helping identify the organs. i did not removed the liver, it was one of the organs i could not find or identify.

there were three vents in the tail, one large from which came the feces (when i moved it manually down the gi tract) and two smaller ones, each leading to a "wing" of the butterfly shaped fatty tissues (leading me to assume they were the ovaries)

i also wondered if the large round things were eggs, but they didnt seem to have any way of exiting.

-paul

PS - everyone please feel free to post these pictures on your website as long as you give me credit for them with the info below. but please note that my identification of the organs may not be correct. hopefully someone will be able to help us figure out why our amyae are dying early!
Paul R. de Boer, Jr.
pdeboer2@netzero.com
www.xanga.com/exceptionalreptiles

[Paul de Boer, Jr.]

i'm extremely sorry art! thank you very much for your input. i am meeting with a vet tomorrow who should help me identify the organs too.

-paul

[Morpho]

Hi all,
I think that the lungs have to be around the heart area, in the photo you can see them at the sides of the heart, in fact they are almost surrounding it. The organ that has been referred to as lungs are in fact the liver and it doesn't look very good to me, it is very pale. But I´m sorry I can't tell you the possible causes. If the organ was well conserved a vet pathologist would tell you something more.

Hope this help and sorry about the girl.

[arta]

The liver looks fatty. As for having pathology work done, it's too late. The tissue is damaged by freezing.

Art

Originally Posted by Morpho

Hi all,
I think that the lungs have to be around the heart area, in the photo you can see them at the sides of the heart, in fact they are almost surrounding it. The organ that has been referred to as lungs are in fact the liver and it doesn't look very good to me, it is very pale. But I´m sorry I can't tell you the possible causes. If the organ was well conserved a vet pathologist would tell you something more.

Hope this help and sorry about the girl.

[Paul de Boer, Jr.]

Originally Posted by Morpho

Hi all,
I think that the lungs have to be around the heart area, in the photo you can see them at the sides of the heart, in fact they are almost surrounding it. The organ that has been referred to as lungs are in fact the liver and it doesn't look very good to me, it is very pale. But I´m sorry I can't tell you the possible causes. If the organ was well conserved a vet pathologist would tell you something more.

Hope this help and sorry about the girl.

Yeah, i was too late for pathology work, but i'm working with a vet to have the rest of my collection examined. The heart actually looks to be in a seperate cavity in the throat. Pic 1 shows the animal before i cut into the heart cavity and pic 2 shows the heart cavity open. I talk to a specialist tomorrow that should help me identify the liver. I talked to her assitant tuesday who pointed to what Art called the ovaries when i asked where the liver was, then pointed to another set of "round things" when asked where the ovaries were. i'll let y'all know what we come up with,
-paul