N. Wheeleri Cinctus vs. N. Wheeleri Wheeleri

Corrina's Creations · #1 08-10-2007, 10:27 AM

Could someone please explain the difference between these two subspecies? Are both found in the pet trade?

Thanks!

Ken Bartenfeld · #2 08-10-2007, 01:15 PM

I think cinctus has 5 black bands and w. wheeleri have 4 bands. Or at least that's a start.

Ken

iand · #3 08-10-2007, 08:01 PM

as far as im aware, both are in the pet trade.

Ken Bartenfeld · #4 08-10-2007, 08:30 PM

I haven't seen any N. wheeleri wheeleri available.

iand · #5 08-12-2007, 02:57 AM

hi ken,
i thought i saw some a while back for sale, quite likely could have been wheeleri cinctus though. not 100% sure.
we dont really have them here in aus. only one or two people keep them (so ive been led to believe) and i have never seen any for sale. its a real shame

have a good one, ian

geckodan · #6 08-12-2007, 04:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken Bartenfeld

I think cinctus has 5 black bands and w. wheeleri have 4 bands. Or at least that's a start.

Ken

At least they used to until you went and made them patternless

Simon · #7 10-06-2007, 10:42 PM

To Corrina, Im am one of two people keeping them in australia. It is not true aboutn 4 & 5 bands both species have 5 bands, generally cinctus is slightly smaller and found in a totally different area of western Australia. Some people are breeding the lines out of them making identifying them very difficult.

regards s

luc · #8 10-07-2007, 08:52 AM

Here is a pic of wheeleri wheeleri in an old thread.
http://www.geckosunlimited.com/commu...ecko-pics.html

sune jensen · #9 10-07-2007, 01:39 PM

There are no wheeleri wheeleri in the pet trade or hobby anywhere that I know about (basically US and Europe). If there are any, poeple are keeping them secretively. Could also be some in Asia...you never know.
As for the differences, yes banding is sometimes used a shorthand way to describe the difference...however something as relatively fluffy as the number of bands would never make it up for a full scientific definition of a speceis or a subspecies, so you can bet that is not the only morphological difference.
So pattenless, or not, or even morphing the current bloodlines into having one more or one less band would not make them another subspecies.

MFG
Sune

Ken Bartenfeld · #10 10-08-2007, 02:20 PM

Good point. I have different patterns coming out of banded specimens. Good to see you here, Simon.