Coleonyx ssp SW Arizona ID

Mike troll · #1 03-29-2008, 02:17 PM

hi i was recently given these and led to believe they are 1.2. juvenile Coleonyx variegatus bogerti can this be confirmed with this pic or do i need to pester them for some sort of close up? they supposedly came from around the Tucson area if that helps.
i bet your eyes are doing this right now

Vaejovis spinigerus are the stinging lizards, they is sleeping soundly even though the crickets ran into the shot soon as i lifted the hide. as long as i make sure none of the Vaejovis are pregnant females they are the best of friends

Mike troll · #2 03-29-2008, 05:59 PM

will this picture help any?

Hannah64127 · #3 03-29-2008, 06:17 PM

i have a question won't the scorpions hurt them and i believe its male

Geckos and Goannas · #4 03-29-2008, 08:58 PM

not to put you down on your own decicions (they are your geckos not mine) as i am a arachnophobe myself i still wouldnt house any arachnid with any other types of animals even if it is proven that they share space in nature and can possibly coexist just for safty reasons. its to big of a risk. ive heard of hadogenes sp. ocasionally living in rock crevices with pachydactylus sp. both of wich i own at least one spieces of and i would not keep them togeather. just a thought.

Mike troll · #5 03-30-2008, 04:03 AM

interesting that Hadogenes sp have geckos that live in the cracks with them, are Pachydactylus a larger species of gecko. i would never try keeping geckos with Hadogenes everything ive read and experienced with captive ones leads me to feel they would make a meal out of a gecko if they caught one.
i started piecing together a strong connection between Coleonyx variegatus variegatus and Vaejovis spinigerus over 10 years ago after discovering Coleonyx likes to mimic scorpions and witnessed some amazing things between those two species in captivity. in the wild we theorize the Coleonyx protect the V.spinigerus from being discovered by ants and in return the Vaejovis protects the Coleonyx from things that would enter the burrows looking to eat them. ive witnessed in captivity both scorpion and geckos working together to dig burrows as well as seeking each other out when looking for a place to sleep. ive seen hungry Vaejovis spinigerus rush at Coleonyx at night going for a kill stop dead in their tracks and stroll off the other direction as soon as making physical contact with the geckos and ive seen 12 frightened Coleonyx variegatus variegatus trample a sleeping scorpion who only reaction was to draw its tail and claws in till the stampede was over then head to the entrance of the burrow to see what caused all the commotion. if any other animal had done this im pretty confident the scorpion would not of acted in the same manner, even twards its own kind. all this said a pregnant scorpion i would expect to kill the geckos haveing been told by a friend the dwarf frog eyed gecko (what ever that is) he had living with a pair of Androctonus australias for years was killed (as was the male scorpion) by the female scorpion prior to it giving birth.

now then since yall know a little about what im up to here can someone kindly confirm the ID on these geckos in the photo as Coleonyx variegatus bogerti or tell me what i need to do to confirm it, i would really like to try and get off spring out of them for my project if its legal here in Cal.

Mike troll · #6 03-30-2008, 04:46 AM

unless its a pregnant female or unsociable individual from what ive experienced no Vaejovis spinigerus show no aggressive behavior twards the Coleonyx even when they are climbing all over the poor scorpions. thanx for the confirmation with the sex glad to know im right on that

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Originally Posted by Hannah64127

i have a question won't the scorpions hurt them and i believe its male

Geckos and Goannas · #7 03-30-2008, 12:36 PM

interesting. yes i think its a C.v. bogerti. good luck breedin them.

Mike troll · #8 03-31-2008, 02:36 AM

thanx. what makes you think its bogerti, i assume they arnt mature yet either yes? the C.v.v. i had back in 2000 layed a few eggs for me but i didnt keep the humidity up in the humidity chamber or something. do babies in the wild stay around the parents or do they wander off?

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Originally Posted by redtegu

interesting. yes i think its a C.v. bogerti. good luck breedin them.