[Bowfinger]

Here are my findings of the recent "elok" imported into the US. Maybe others are having similar findings as well? Since most shipments where of the same local, single orders will have one or the other, while those ordering from different shipments/locals might experience what I am...

I have keyed out half of my "eloks" to actually being "brevipalmatus like" this week, after extensive research and capturing each individual for inspection. This was after finding I am getting "giants" cb, usually double in size as babies and finding some showing no breeding signs whatsoever in some groups...these where the pairs with brevipalmatus/elok mixed.
The adult females are average 12g "brevipalmatus like", 8g elok. Males average 7g "brevipalmatus like", 5.5g elok. Also there is differences in structure and color that go with keying out the differences. All of the "elok" are aggressive and/or flighty, this is not seen in the "brevipalmatus".

I do have "brevipalmatus" over 80mm svl. That is the only thing making them different than the smaller eloks and the brevipalmatus as they are not described this large, either species.
As for the elok, I have dark ones typical of key, then I have a light group. This is including normal color change.
Anyways, thought I would share even though most big name gecko keepers are "skuured" of these tropical bowfingers (yes I know your keeping the easy dry habitat species ) Hopefully if anyone still exsists from the "core elok group" we can figure out what these are.

[Afelinus]

Shane,in either group that you have separated,are you noticing any eye color difference that is consistent to one group verses the other?

[Bowfinger]

The color all looks similar; white-grayish, purple, pearl all depending on the angle and light but same tones and similar black veining. One "giant" female had larger eyes to ratio of head compared to smaller "elok" in same cage...but did not go any further studying others as they where already placed back in cages.
On a different species, yet similar comparison; "giant" Uroplatus henkeli's (mainland form). They had eyes and "armpit" (can't remember the term, place for mites)that all key out as henkeli, yet they where larger than Uroplatus fimbriatus, so by size they where thought to be fimbriatus by some. Obviously a new sub if not full species all together. This takes me back to the different "eloks". I call them "brevipalmatus" out of keys available, but for obvious reasons these can easily be a new species as well, if not they are absolutely different. Not so important to some, but for breeding purposes they do not cross well, and that is very important deciding species. I am trying to figure that out still though in my collection for more substantial evidince. As being larger than brevipalmatus from Thailand study, and they are fairly docile, I have interest in this form. Maybe if you get time Marcus, we can piece together information on the two and their locals if available.

[Bowfinger]

one more difference...the larger form has uniform belly while the smaller has more pattern including lots of speckling. The larger also has larger spikes tubercles and more count of them.

[vierfleck]

Hello,

@Shane: This was my male brevipalmatus:









Here i posted the first description of C.elok as a scan:

http://geckosunlimited.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10251

Hope it helps you

regards

Matthias

Link added

[Bowfinger]

Thanks Matthias, I did actually use your older thread for description information. What I can tell on yours, my "brevipalmatus" look very similar.

[Uroplatus]

Hey Shane!

I have 2.2 C.elok, they are from the same import by one dealer. One male of them has really white eyes . The other 3 speciemes have more brown/bronce in eye colour. Otherwise the male is a little bit smaller and have no regenerated tail.

I try to make photos next time