[WildEyeReptiles]

I would greatly appreciate it if anyone keeping either species would be so kind as to take a close up photo of the undersides of each of their animals, and post them with a corresponding shot of the top of each animal.

[Bowfinger]

I have seen your 3 types(sworderi/quadrivigatus/semenanjungensis) in this group and am with you on them being different. To me it looks like you have three species and many integrades. I was talking to Marcus about these the other day and believe there is C. semenanjungensis or similar in our "quadrivigatus" orders. Most likely coming in with C. sworderi as they are the only thing similar to quads coming from the sworderi local; true quads do not come from this local based on limited study. Also true pubisulcus look nothing like these and are only documented from East Malaysia. Another that would look more similar than pubisulcus is C. ingeri and they too only come from East Malaysia.

If you do in fact have, C. semenanjungensis, they would have 48-53 ventral scales (more than the others), possibly a preanal groove (not always and others do not ever have), 0 preanal pores (but quads can have 0-4). They do not have stripes past front shoulders, have spots or banding.

You might be already on to this but thought maybe I could be of some help.

[WildEyeReptiles]

Does anyone have a copy of the the sp. description for semenanjungensis? I'd like to have it for my library.

Actually, I was going in a different direction with it, but I agree there are multiple species under the two names, as well as potential hybrids.

[chuckpowell]

Get me a reference and I'll get one from my works interlibrary loan next week.

Best,

Chuck

[Bowfinger]

Journal of Herpetology Volume 39, Number 4, December 2005
pgs 584-591 L. Lee Grismer and Tzi Ming Leong

The study was slim and openly stated there most likely are new species to be found in this area...with emphasis on the need to study before they are gone due to palm oil plantations taking over the habitat.

[Leah]

No one will post photos?

[Bowfinger]

I will Leah when I get more time than a "quick reply". By the way Chuck I have an original copy of that Journal, just was giving you what to look up for Leah...I would have made a copy but looked like she wanted an original. While I have your attention, I will be looking for descriptions of all Cyrtodactylus and do not have the means to do this easily. Maybe we can work out a barter for these...contact me in pm again if interested and I will do what I can to make your time and efforts worth something.

[chuckpowell]

I have a pdf of this article. If you want a copy send me your email address.

Best,

Chuck

Originally Posted by Bowfinger

Journal of Herpetology Volume 39, Number 4, December 2005
pgs 584-591 L. Lee Grismer and Tzi Ming Leong

The study was slim and openly stated there most likely are new species to be found in this area...with emphasis on the need to study before they are gone due to palm oil plantations taking over the habitat.

[WildEyeReptiles]

Shane, or anyone else with intermedius type - would you also take a pic of the undersides of your male for me? I have a suspicion about these...

Thanks

[Bowfinger]

http://calphotos.berkeley.edu/imgs/5...0502/0503.jpeg
© 2001 Hinrich Kaiser

Listed on this site as Cyrtodactylus tiomanensis but resembles the bw pictures of C. semenanjungensis almost to the T.