[geckos.dk]

Hi everyone,

I hope someone can give me any pointers to what i might have done wrong.

My 1st clutch of silver-eyes where found dead inside of the eggs, after they had failed to slit the eggs after they had started to sweat (after 93 days of incubating).

Both hatchlings where perfectly developed and had both almost absorbed the egg-yolk.

Here is how I incubated them..

In moist vermiculite (like I use it for my eurydactylodes, and previously also my ciliatus)
At temps fluctuating at 23.5-24.0 Celsius at day, with a night time drop to around 20 Celsius

Seasonal greetings

Bo Ikkala
Denmark

[Afelinus]

Bo,your temp range sounds reasonable.I would be curious about what kind of humidity and the range of hydration(humidity) throughout incubation.I used Perlite exclusively once I had refined my techniques of incubating Felinus(ironically made it simpler).Now I allow them to hatch in situ in their cages.

[Riverside Reptiles]

Originally Posted by Afelinus

Bo,your temp range sounds reasonable.I would be curious about what kind of humidity and the range of hydration(humidity) throughout incubation.I used Perlite exclusively once I had refined my techniques of incubating Felinus(ironically made it simpler).Now I allow them to hatch in situ in their cages.

Marcus, I've had some good sucess too with eggs that have been laid in potted plant containers and just left alone to hatch out in the enclosure. I'm curious what you're using as substrate in your cages?

Bo, In general with these guys I use vermiculite as a hatch medium at the standard 1:1 vermiculite to water mixture with good sucess. Sorry to hear that yours didn't make it. It always sucks to have eggs go that long and then have them not hatch.

[Afelinus]

Ethan I use a 3 part mixture substrate.I also have them lay in some of the potted plants,but moreso in the substrate.I am becoming more reluctant to share experiences,as today I stumbled across another caresheet that was basically a mastery of plagiarism and although I am not opposed to people using my information,when something is labeled as "common knowledge" as an opening preface to plagiarism,it just adds another dash of salt in a fresh wound.This was in no way directed at you Ethan.

[geckos.dk]

Ty, for both ur replies.

marcus -regarding humidity i really cant say, i use closed containers to incubate the eggs in and make an air exchange every week or so (has worked previously with other geckos and chameleons too), the medium is approx. as ethan says 1:1

i guess i did everything right, but just had bad luck with it..

btw is the temps on the high end or low end of the possible incubation temps, as i wondered if it could be that(if you don't want to reply publicly, you are more than welcome to pm me instead)

[Brian]

I finally picked through the substrate and found a couple eggs in there quite far along as well.

[Afelinus]

Bo,the condition you describe sounds more of what I used to experience when I used incubators to hatch out my Felinus eggs.Over the past 6-7 years,I have been using room temps,with an environment that provided stable ambient temps with slight drops at night.Something like a drawer or closet that is hardly used with the desired range of temps will work perfect.Now it is all done in the tanks I provide them to live in,and results are even better.Temps in my tanks range from 68-80f,and eggs hatch fine.The substrate is one part Supersoil,one part wood bark mulch and a final part river sand from a river in the lower Sierra's here in Northern California.My comment about plagiarism is directed at those who take other's information and pass it off as their own,or use it on their site and call it common knowledge,when we all know 5 years ago that wasn't the case regarding this species.I am not into notoriety,but not into someone taking credit for something they didn't put in work for.

[tanala]

Marcus i think i found one of the sites you mentioned...it really looks like some persons take your experiences that were written down here to use it for their own benefit - without credits...if i would be you, i'd be angry, unfortunately this can happen if you share knowledge in www.......

sebastian

[geckos.dk]

Thank you very much Marcus for taking you the time to help me....

Unfortunately incubation as you descripe it isnt possible for me, for several reasons....

the medium u descripe how moist is that, and do u bury the egg completely in it?

but luckily my homemade incubator is pretty advanced, so i have set it up to 24 C. with an +/- 1 degree so the temp at day would range between 23-25. Or should i rather program it so, it slowly increases over the whole day to end at around 80 F. ?

btw did u also experience problems incubating the eggs in a incubator?

Regarding "Plagiarism", being team-member of the biggest chamelon-site on the WWW, i know everything about it. Sadly there isnt much to do against, other than not telling the whole story about things (which again is a bad thing).

The only thing to do is to sit back knowing that it was you and not somebody else who discovered that important piece of information

regards

Bo Ikkala

[Afelinus]

Bo,I think you will need to find a way to set up a small closet or area that you can use a space heater in .I am assuming from what you are writing that you need to use an incubator in order to protect eggs from to large a drop at night(??) .Supplying Felinus eggs with constant temps or real close to constant will end up in the results you had.I used to incubate the same way and had slight drops,2-3 degrees,and it wasn't enough.Perfect little stillborn's who failed to escape were the end result.They need a reasonable swing in temperature in order to successfully hatch.

Sebastian,even the latest Reptile's Magazine contained an article that was 99% of the information I provided on this forum,which I don't mind for the benefit of the geckos.I only wish that people would cite references for their information.All you have to do is look in the Cat Gecko Forum here and go back to the beginning to the early posts and you will see the author of that article asking questions and me answering them,along with providing much of the information used today.It does rub me the wrong way,but it still IS ABOUT THE GECKOS.