Difference between "normal" A. felinus and CH form.

SargeR · #1 12-25-2009, 08:57 AM

Could someone explain me what is the difference between "normal" A. felinus and CH form? I have seen enough pics but saw no difference...

Two other forms have obvious differences: silver eyes, green eyes, white stripe... But CH?..

Thanks and sorry for my english

**Riverside Reptiles** · #2 12-25-2009, 09:52 AM

I'm assuming that what you mean by "normal" is a non locale specific animal. Cameron Highlands and Johor are different regions of Maylaysia. According to some, there may or may not be genetic differences between the animals found in each of these locales. Until this information is confirmed, the animals will be considered separate locales. However, they may become subspecies at some point. There is no simple way to just look at them and tell the difference though. Your importer or breeder would need to know where the original wild caught animals came from. In any case, it is considered a genetic no-no to cross any of the locality specific forms of felinus with each other. The same goes for those felinus with more obvious differences such as silver eyeds. These are not considered a "morph" that should be line bred to increase population. They are, in general, considered an undescribed ssp. that should be kept separate from the other bloodlines. Hopefully we can continue to keep people breeding locale specific animals and stop mixing them before they end up being nothing but a big mutt like leopard geckos are now a days.

Luperosaurus · #3 12-25-2009, 10:39 AM

Ok, what the visual differences between CH and other localities (except Johor silver eye and Sabah white stripe)representatives? I mean forms from Malaysian Peninsula, Perak, Selangor, Singapore, Sula, S Thailand, Patani.

**Riverside Reptiles** · #4 12-25-2009, 10:45 AM

As I mentioned above, there are no significant visual differences. This has all been discussed in great detail on here in the past. If it's something that interests you, you may want to do a search and read some of the older threads. Supposedly the genetics have been done to prove that there are indeed genetic differences between at least the Highlands locale and the Johor locale. But these papers have yet to be published for the public as far as I know.

Luperosaurus · #5 12-25-2009, 03:50 PM

Sorry but I'm not spoke about differences between Johor and Highlands...
So, no visual differences and no publications about thear genetic yet.
Thanks so much that's all waht I needed to know.

SargeR · #6 12-25-2009, 04:17 PM

By saying "normal" I means all other localities except Johor and Sabah.

So, there is no visual differences between CH and other (Peninsula, Perak, Singapore etc., but except Johor and Sabah) and genetic differences still no approved (or disproved

). Am I right?

**Riverside Reptiles** · #7 12-25-2009, 05:07 PM

There may be some scale count differences or something along those lines. You'd have to read further back in the threads. Marcus used to say that he noted differences when importing lots of felinus. But I don't recall him ever being specific about what these differences were. Keep in mind also that not all Johor are silver eyeds and not all silver eyeds are from Johor. Marcus made claims that genetic differences have supposedly been found but I've never seen anything published. In the mean time, I just stick to working only with locale specific animals so as to be able to keep the bloodlines as clean as possible.

**Riverside Reptiles** · #8 12-25-2009, 05:40 PM

@ Luperosaurus - Did you ever end up getting any of the stripe form? I'm still trying to find some here in the US. But no luck so far.

Luperosaurus · #9 12-25-2009, 07:40 PM

I have two pairs now.

**Riverside Reptiles** · #10 12-25-2009, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Luperosaurus

I have two pairs now.

Well since we don't seem to have any in the US, it would be nice if you could contribute pictures and information to our forum. I'd love to hear about any particular differences other than the aspect of having a stripe. Some nice close up detailed pictures would be fantastic. And if you happen to know of anyone that has them and the ability to export them to the US, please PM me.