[Riverside Reptiles]

I got a group of the green eyed cat's too. Here's just a couple of quick pics of two of them. They're huge compared to Malaysian felinus.

Here's one of the females:



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And here's one of the males:



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I'll post some more once they all get acclimated. I don't want to stress them too much right now.

[teobesta]

beautiful!
i hope i'll manage such clear photos myself sometime
but like you say, i'd rather let him be for now (-:

[gekkocorner]

Those look really nice and healthy Ethan.

I wanted to ask you where did you got the Aeluroscalabotes cf.dorsalis from? Also The guy from the previous post called them "Aeluroscalabotes felinus multituberculatus".

We already know these guys come from Borneo but I believe they are a unkown locale from Borneo. ( even the 'Aeluscalabotes' . part might be unknown for some of the Felinus* )

I tried to get more detail information from the dealer but the exporter only had them marked as 'Borneo Cat geckos'. With Borneo being the third largest island in the world there are probably several different populations of Aeluroscalabotes felinus that occur there. including Aeluroscalabotes longicaudatus, Æluroscalabotes dorsalis, Or the very rare and unknown Pentadactylus borneensis ( better know as ( pentadactylus felinus ) and, Aeluroscalabotes dorsalis multituberculatus.

So as far as our recent shipments goes. we have no idea of what we have in our hands, and that also goes for a lot of the A.felinus in captivity now. much research has to be done for us to be name these guys correctly. Hopefully the patches of land where they occur are not destroyed before they gain some kind of protection.

I'm attaching a few pictures that you guys will find very interesting. On the XII plate from the British Museum 'Pentadactylus felinus' is figure F.

I plan to do my Biology Thesis on A.felinus and hopefully do some field work with these guys in the next few years.

Kind Regards.

[teobesta]

i didn't know what i was talking about (just quoting from wiki etc)
but i did wonder about that when i saw the title
and am still curious about it
also wondered about the title of the thread
is it just because the non sci name for the species is 'malaysian...'?

best of luck with your studies
looking forward to your research results
(ps: i'm not a guy (-

[gekkocorner]

Originally Posted by teobesta

i didn't know what i was talking about (just quoting from wiki etc)
but i did wonder about that when i saw the title
and am still curious about it
also wondered about the title of the thread
is it just because the non sci name for the species is 'malaysian...'?

best of luck with your studies
looking forward to your research results
(ps: i'm not a guy (-

ooops . Sorry about that.

And don't worry I think we all are very curious about it. We have much to learn about these awesome geckos.

[Riverside Reptiles]

My info came from Yuri Kaverkin. Considering that he's one of the authors of "The Eyelash Geckos, Care, Breeding and Natural History" and well studied in Aeluroscalaotes, I humble myself to his opinion on these. He was working with them (the green eyeds) years ago and is currently one of the few people captive breeding them. As for collection locale, it's my understanding that most (if not all of these) are coming from Sebah.

Aeluroscalabotes felinus (Günther, 1864):

Pentadactylus felinus A. C. L. Günther. 1864. Rept. Brit. India: 117; Pl. XII; Figs. F and F’.

Pentadactylus borneensis A. C. L. Günther. 1864. Rept. Brit. India: 117. (type locality: “Borneo”; BMNH RR 1972.1251 [holotype]).

Pentadactylus dorsalis W. C. H. Peters. 1871. Monatsber. Königl. Preuss. Akad. Wissensch. Berlin 1871: 569. (type locality: “Sarawak” [in East Malaysia; Borneo]; MSNG 9504 [holotype]; fide Capocaccia, 1961.)

Æluroscalabotes felinus G. A. Boulenger. 1885. Cat. Lizards British Mus. 1: 73.

Æluroscalabotes dorsalis G. A. Boulenger. 1885. Cat. Lizards British Mus. 1: 74.

Æluroscalabotes ? brunneus G. A. Boulenger. 1885. Cat. Lizards British Mus. 1: 74.

Ælurosaurus felinus E. Bartlett. 1895. J. Str. Br. Royal Asiatic Soc. (2: 77.

Ælurosaurus dorsalis E. Bartlett. 1895. J. Str. Br. Royal Asiatic Soc. (2: 77.

Aeluroscalabotes felinus T. Barbour. 1912. Mem. Mus. Comp. Zool. 44(1): 179.

Aeluroscalabotes dorsalis T. Barbour. 1912. Mem. Mus. Comp. Zool. 44(1): 179.

Aeluroscalabotes felinus N. De Rooij. 1915. Reptiles Indo-Australian Arch. 1: 26.

Aeluroscalabotes dorsalis N. De Rooij. 1915. Reptiles Indo-Australian Arch. 1: 27.

Aeluroscalabotes longicaudatus L. G. Andersson. “1923” 1924. Meddelelser Fra Det Zool. Mus., Kristiana 61: 122. (type locality: “Bulungan, north-east Borneo” [= Bulangan, 02° 22’N; 125° 25’E; Kalimantan, Indonesia {Borneo}].)

Aeluroscalabotes dorsalis multituberculatus F. Kopstein. 1927. Treubia 9: 438. (type locality: “Sula Island” [= Pulau-Pulau Sula, 01° 52’S; 125° 22’E; Indonesia])

Aeluroscalabotes dorsalis dorsalis K. R. G. Welch, P. S. Cooke & A. S. Wright. 1990. Lizards Orient: 5.

Aeluroscalabotes dorsalis multituberculatus K. R. G. Welch, P. S. Cooke & A. S. Wright. 1990. Lizards Orient: 5.

Aeluroscalabotes felinus K. R. G. Welch, P. S. Cooke & A. S. Wright. 1990. Lizards Orient: 5.

Aeluroscalabotes felinus F. L. Tan. 1993. Checklist Lizards Borneo: 1.

Aeluroscalabotes felinus A. G. Kluge. 1993. Gekkonoid Lizard Taxon.: 3.

Aeluroscalabotes felinus U. Manthey & W. Grossmann. 1997. Amphibien & Reptilien Südostasiens: 209.

[gekkocorner]

Did he had pictures of his A.dorsalis? or a more detailed description on their characteristics like the one for 'Pentadactylus felinus' ? There's also several dorsalis including multituberculatus to add to the confusion.

I respect the opinion of Yuri Kaverkin 100%. But If we're going to throw names out for these guys don't we need something a bit more scientific than an opinion? like description data from the species, locale info, Etc.

I'm not saying you are wrong or that I'm right and there are people out there with a lot more knowledge about these geckos. This is just an interesting subject and I don't see a lot of posts about this here or in any other forums.

Here's another picture of a non described felinus from Borneo.

[Riverside Reptiles]

Yes, I've seen pics of Yuri's (and other people's) Borneo cats and they look exactly like what we got. This was one of the reasons that I said from the start that these were not from Sumatra. Yuri had told me that Sumatra has been explored extensively with no felinus found. You would have to ask Yuri how he came to the conclusion that these are Aeluroscalabotes cf.dorsalis. He's the scientist. I'm just a hobbyist.
Here's a thread you might find interesting from a few months ago:
http://www.geckosunlimited.com/commu...calabotes.html

[gekkocorner]

Originally Posted by Riverside Reptiles

Yes, I've seen pics of Yuri's (and other people's) Borneo cats and they look exactly like what we got. This was one of the reasons that I said from the start that these were not from Sumatra. Yuri had told me that Sumatra has been explored extensively with no felinus found. You would have to ask Yuri how he came to the conclusion that these are Aeluroscalabotes cf.dorsalis. He's the scientist. I'm just a hobbyist.
Here's a thread you might find interesting from a few months ago:
http://www.geckosunlimited.com/commu...calabotes.html

Wow!! Great Thread!! Thanks for the link. Hopefully we'll get more posts in this forum from people who recently purchased green eyes. I hope that most of them survive and thrive to produce CB offspring.

[Luperosaurus]

Ok...
At the present time we just know that we have few forms of geckos which are covered by A.felinus scientific name. In my opinion in this group we can recognize following forms as:
well known Malaysian regular form (A.felinus), Johor silver eye (A.cf.felinus) Cameron highland (A.cf.felinus or isolated population of A.felinus), Borneo green eye (A.cf. dorsalis ) and second unknown (one live specimen and couple pictures) species(subspecies,form) also from Borneo.
At the present time nobody can give any answer on the question what we have. Are they different species or subspecies or are they just color morphs from different localities? I want to think that we have few original species but we must wait results of scientific revision of this genus.