[geckomaster]

Well, I was starting to think that everyone went abstinent but it appears some have been busy. My one female Luii is now gravid which is really exiting. My leopard gecko is also gravid which I'm bring up here as it's a unique situation. I recently moved and had limited space. I didn't want to give up either my female leopard gecko nor my lone male hainanensis so I figured to give a shot at them being roomates. Obviously they are getting along fine as I've seen no aggression from the female and have observed them mating on several occasions. I'm not a big fan of hybridization nor am I particularly against it. I am curious as to the end result of this pairing though. She hasn't been with a mature male in a couple of years so sperm retention and timing leads me to believe this male is the sire. Any input from a scientific standpoint would be appreciated as would suggestions for incubation. I'm leaning towards 78 degrees. Arguments against hybridization are welcome, but I not getting into a fight over it.

[Coleonyx]

I would think that the eggs are infertile. It might be possible that the mating behaviour is just stimulating her "egg production" instincts. Who knows though.

I dont think either of those geckos will last long in the same conditions though. Leopard geckos don't appreciate being cold and wet. Gonis dont like being dry and warm.

[geckomaster]

You're probably right regarding the infertiliy. I've set them up to tend to both of their needs and so far they seem pretty happy. Thanks for the input.

[sarahjane85]

Exactly. Stimulation can also occur from another egg-producing female, and these females can even stimulate naive juvenile females into follicle production. I too think the eggs would be infertile .

Sarah.

[geckomaster]

Yep, infertile. This girl throws lots of clutches, but I expect the rest to be the same. It was an interesting thought nonetheless, and the important thing is that they are both healthy and seem to be pretty good roomates which was my original concern (on a curious not the Hainanensis seems to enjoy chilling with the leopard above the heat pad for extended periods of time as opposed to the cooler moist side, the room averages mid 70's. I've noticed all three of my goni species to be more heat tolerant, if not prefering it when offered. The main thing appears to be the humidity). On the bright side my one Luii should lay any day now so I'll at least have something to look forward to.

[Mickej]

Im sorry to say Geckomaster, but this is one of the stupidiest thing i´ve seen ever...so you actually keep a rainforest/forest species like g.luii who like wet/moist climates with an desert species like Leopardgeckos.

One of your geckos arent that happy about his/hers home...

[geckomaster]

Actually it was Hainenensis with a leopard gecko, but details. One thing I've learned in 12 years of keeping herps is that husbandry is not a static concept (my cat geckos are housed as a group and contrary to prior statements,after a year in my care are healthy and happy as well). I appreciate the sentiment nonetheless and like most of my animals will continue to monitor their happiness and well being. It was not the optimal arrangement, I admit, but the alternative during the move was to get rid of one or the other which I was not willing to do...and based on former experience realized that just because something is not the accepted practice doesn't mean that it is not feasible. That said, when space allows they will probably go back to living with their own. This thread was started in response to the breeding and curiosity if such a hybrid was possible, which at this point seems improbable.

[Brian]

If your short on space you can always get some sterilite. Great thing is you can rig it to raise in humidity as temp rises.

[Afelinus]

Geckomaster,you really need to be a little more mindful of what you say.Contrary to your statements,there was no edict stated that your animals would die in 30 days if you housed them in groups.The advice I gave was that they actually fared better as individuals housed individually because this is the way they live in the wild.The "static" information was how we used to keep them,in groups or trios.You have been taking shots at me on other forums too,as I have been informed.It is the same argument that you lost then and now.You proclaim to know your animals are happy also.They are feeding.They need to live.They will eat.They will share some of the same hides too,not because they are communal in nature,but they are seeking out the same optimum shelters regarding humidity and temperature,safety,and other various factors that make that shelter the best.You need to move on,try some more less than desirable experiments in gecko husbandry and force them to adapt to other extremes their not used to.

[Afelinus]

THE ABOVE POST WAS IN REGARDS TO HIS INFERENCE TOWARDS ME IN THE COMMENT ABOUT FELINUS.