[Brian]

Well you have your answer. So no point of keying it out.

[sune jensen]

Rickard,
you posted a picture of an animal I bred on a public forum, and in the following thread made the remark "Due to the yellow eyes I'm suspecting that the animal is a hybrid G. kuroiwae x yamashinae".
It is an insult to me to accuse me of breeding hybrids, whether or not you mention my name.
It is also an insult to distrust what I have told you. That means basically that you suspect me of lying.
for your information I do not lie about animals I sell ot trade and I do not prodeuce hybrids.
For these 2 reasons you owe me an apology. I think it is suitable that it is made in public just the same way as these accusations were.

- Sune

[Rotto]

Brian: Keying would be interesting since I've never actually keyed a gecko before...

Sune: I really dont see how asking a question on a public forum regarding deviant eye coloration in G. kuroiwae is to insult you. The remark I made regarding my suspicion was to get the disscusion going. And also, asking for other peoples opinions but yours in this matter is also hardly an insult, it is quite normal to do so. So if you are waiting for a excuse, you will be wainting in vain. I really dont understand why you find this disscusion so offensive.

And with Yuris input I also don't see any reason to keep arguing, since it clearly proves that this "deviation" in color is something that other breeders also have experienced.
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Rickard

[sune jensen]

for a person who always struggeled to keep things as natural as possible, and spent a lot of time on arguing agianst hybrids and man-made morphs (although mostly on danish forums) it is an insult that someone questions the purity of his animals.
It is cool that yuri verified that kuriowae can indeed look like this, but you should not need to hear another opinion in the first place, because I have already told you the truth.

Sune

[Rotto]

Then we agree on how to keep and breed animals; natural.

Again, there is no need to see this post as an insult. All I have done is asked for the opinion of other people, which in my eyes is the purpose of this kind of forum. And like I wrote before, if you look at the other replies, apart from Yuris, I was not all alone in suspecting a possible hybrid.

But like I wrote before, I don't see any reason to agrue, this matter is setteled for me.

Cheers,
Rickard

[Luperosaurus]

I'm so sorry that my modest opinion have made extra troubles in this discussion...

[sune jensen]

Actually it hasn't. I am only happy that you verified that kuroiwae can look like this.

Sune

[Fredrik_C]

This is very interesting.. (Not the argument do..) I have never read anywhere about this. Actually in the book "the Eyelash Gecko" it is stated that: (from page 149) the juvenile markings on all Goniurosaurus-species from the Ryukyu Islands, except for G. yamashinae. consist of light orange to light red bands or stripes on dark brown ground. G.kuroiwae has four bands. End qout.
(From page 175): The juvenile patterning of G. yamashinae is formed by whitish bands. The iris is yellowish- brown to golden, in contrast to that of other Goniurosaurus from the Ryukyu Islands. End quote.


This is almost as interesting as a new specie.. Has you only witness this at juvenils from the northern form? Or have you witness it within your southern groups to? Those the eye coloration also diseaper with age?

It is too bad that you have not post any pics on this marvels of nature before Sune then we others should not have to guess what specie it was..

Do you have any pics on other juveniles that have this odd coloration? I am glad that you are not in to morph breeding as this could result in a try to make a yellow kuroiwae..