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Rotto · #1 09-22-2007, 05:46 AM

Got this Goniurosaurus in Hamm last weekend. What species do you guys think it is?

Cheers,
Rickard

Fredrik_C · #2 09-22-2007, 05:53 AM

Hmm,, Yellow eyes.. Should be yamashinae.. but the markings are wrong.. What do you think Thomas?

Cheers
Fred

marx · #3 09-23-2007, 12:22 PM

Hi Rickard

It is such a matter, G.yamashinae cannot be it!
It looks like a G.kuroiwae southern form. G.kuroiwae is known for very much variabeles look.
But that G.kuroiwae normally a red drawing has, thinks it I it be a crossing.
G.yamashinae has regular yellow ribbons, maybe with a small deviation.
But such an animal I has not yet seen!
From whom did you receive these animals?

Greeting Markus

Rotto · #4 09-23-2007, 01:00 PM

Well the animal in the picture was traded to me as a nothern form of G. kuroiwae. I traded it with a european breeder who also breeds and sells G. yamashinae.

According to the breeder, G. kuroiwae is not always red in color, but can sometimes be yellow or totaly white.

Due to the yellow eyes I'm suspecting that the animal is a hybrid G. kuroiwae x yamashinae. Since I'm new to the species i would like to have some second oponions on this matter.

Cheers,
Rickard

modoki · #5 09-23-2007, 03:57 PM

Hi Rickard,

the animal pictured above looks really strange to me.
I have never bred anything like this within my G. kuroiwae, so
the idea of a G. kuroiwae x G. yamashinae hybrid doesn't seem to
improbable to me

. Hopefully you got that one from a trustworthy
breeder, otherwise you have a useless, but nice looking bastard

.

Cheers

Thomas

Brian · #6 09-23-2007, 04:11 PM

I suspect it may just have whatever those people call it where the horizontal bands are in part vertical stripes instead. I've seen it pop up once or twice from normal parents in other peoples geckos.

What does it key out to if you ignore the pattern and color? (Although that doesn't prove hybrid originals or disprove them).

sune jensen · #7 09-24-2007, 05:10 PM

well,
I am the breeder and they are F1 form animals I got from you, Thomas. They are babies of the northern form kuroiwae that I got from you. And yes, mostly the kuroiwae babies are red and black but on a rare occasion they can be yellow and black or even white and black. They look the same as normally colored when they mature.
And off course they are not a hybrid of yamashinaexkuroiwae. What the f*ck is that for a strange rumor to spread??!?! I breed both kuroiwae and yamashinae. Why on earth would I cross them? They have not even been near each other..........
For your information I am 100% anti hybrid (and 100 % anti morph but that is another story). It is sad to see people throwing dirt on a good reputation on a public forum.....

Sune

sune jensen · #8 09-24-2007, 05:20 PM

......actually I happen to think an apology is in place

-Sune

Luperosaurus · #9 09-24-2007, 05:42 PM

Very nice G.kuroiwae. I have had couple times same unusual color juveniles from Northern form. The parents have had no stripes and just yellowish white spots

Rotto · #10 09-25-2007, 01:16 AM

Brian: I havent keyed it out yet, but that might be interessting to do.

Sune: Well I really don't see why i owe you an appology? I was doubting the species of the animal that I got from you, so I asked the forum. Please note that I did not mention your name anywhere. And as you see from the answers above, I'm not all alone in suspecting a hybrid. So I was not all off by asking the question, or what do you think?

Yuri: Thanks for the info Yuri, that was really nice to hear.

Cheers,
Rickard