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    Does anyone have any tips on preventing metabolic bone disease in cresteds? My gecko has had it twice in the past, after the first time I did a lot of research and did a lot to prevent him from getting it again, but he still did. He has a uv light, lots of calcium, etc. Is there anything else I can do for him? Could it possibly even be a different disease or condition?

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    From my understanding CGD has everything a crested gecko need in it. But if your have problems with MBD just add a little calcium in the CGD when you make it.

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    you can also OD on calcium.

    what is his diet (very specifically, please)? can you post a photo of your gecko?

    where did you get him, how long have you had him, and why do you think he's had MBD twice in the past? it's not something that can ever be "cured", although it can be corrected somewhat and kept from worsening.
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    Too much D3 and Calcium can also cause issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dobby33 View Post
    Does anyone have any tips on preventing metabolic bone disease in cresteds? My gecko has had it twice in the past, after the first time I did a lot of research and did a lot to prevent him from getting it again, but he still did. He has a uv light, lots of calcium, etc. Is there anything else I can do for him? Could it possibly even be a different disease or condition?
    In addition to your crestie's diet, please share specifics on the brand, type, strength of the UV you are providing, how many hours a day the UV is on, and a picture of his vivarium.

    Are you using pure calcium?
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    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

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    Thank you all for replying, sorry I took so long to get back. I can't get any pictures at this very moment as my good camera is being used by a friend. I'll describe his enclosure to you the best that I can. Since his MBD has started coming back, I've switched to paper towel substrate. He has lots of artificial plants and thicker sticks to climb and hide in.

    As for my gecko's diet, I feed him crickets and repashy crested gecko diet with added calcium. The bulb I am using is made by Zoo Med and is a 13 watt tropical mini compact fluorescent 5.0 uvb bulb. I have it on him all day, just turning it off at night.

    Aimless- The only physical deformity I can see on my gecko is that his lower jaw is very weak. He doesn't have a tail and his spine and limbs seem to be perfectly normal. He is also very lethargic and doesn't move around much. Usually even during the day he is relatively active so this is unusual for him. Thanks for all your advice!

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    I was able to get this picture using my phone. His lower jaw is getting worse every day, you can see it here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dobby33 View Post
    Thank you all for replying, sorry I took so long to get back. I can't get any pictures at this very moment as my good camera is being used by a friend. I'll describe his enclosure to you the best that I can. Since his MBD has started coming back, I've switched to paper towel substrate. He has lots of artificial plants and thicker sticks to climb and hide in.

    As for my gecko's diet, I feed him crickets and repashy crested gecko diet with added calcium. The bulb I am using is made by Zoo Med and is a 13 watt tropical mini compact fluorescent 5.0 uvb bulb. I have it on him all day, just turning it off at night.

    Aimless- The only physical deformity I can see on my gecko is that his lower jaw is very weak. He doesn't have a tail and his spine and limbs seem to be perfectly normal. He is also very lethargic and doesn't move around much. Usually even during the day he is relatively active so this is unusual for him. Thanks for all your advice!
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    I was able to get this picture using my phone. His lower jaw is getting worse every day, you can see it here.
    Hi dobby33 ~

    Your crestie has what looks like a "rubber jaw", a symptom of MBD.

    1. How is his climbing? Can he still climb the walls of his enclosure?

    2. Is the Zoo Med 13 watt mini compact 5.0 bulb blocked by a screen top? How new is it? How long have you been using it?

    3. Was the combination of a UVB 5.0 bulb + Repashy's with D3 recommended by a vet?

    4. Is your crestie also getting vitamin D3 via Repashy's powdered diet? Since you are feeding a powdered diet (probably with vitamin D3) I would not use a UVB bulb as well. Have you been adding calcium to the Repashy's?

    The powdered crestie diets are designed to be all-in-one diets. Repashy's diets have gone through some changes with some "newer" ones not being as effective. I do not have details on which version is which. Keepers have had success using the Pangea powdered diets.

    5. Depending upon the ambient room temps I would go with a low wattage regular incandescent for a little heat (25 watt?). Then I would either use a powdered diet such as one of the Pangea crestie diets or feed crickets lightly dusted with Zoo Med's Repti Calcium with D3 (not every feeding) with supplemental fruit now and then.

    Once MBD has begun, the symptoms can only be controlled.

    6. Please post a picture of your crestie's enclosure. Is it a vertical or horizontal set up? Where is the UVB bulb? What are the dimensions of the enclosure?
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    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

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    I agree that this is very sympotmatic for MBD. his spine is also curved and his limbs are swollen, other indicators.
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    image.jpg. Here is a picture of his enclosure. I've recently removed one of his plants as he seemed to be getting stuck in it a lot. I think I'm going to keep the light on him at least for now because that's what seemed to help him last time he had MBD. After what you said about the newer types if repashy I've stopped feeding it to him and gone back to mashed bananas with added calcium until the different crested gecko diet I ordered comes in. Also, I haven't taken him to a vet yet, everything I've found out is from the internet and a friend who's had experience with MBD. Thank you both very much for the advice!
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