Providing uvb - how to supplement??

[Frankiesmoma]

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Please let me know the exact dimensions of Frankie's enclosure: length x width x height.

Sorry I have a hard time navigating these threads sometimes he is currently in a 12 x 12 x 18 but will be upgrades to his 24 x 18 x 24 enclosure soon which the uvb will be put in that

[Elizabeth Freer]

Okay so the dimensions of the enclosure are 24 x 18 x 24. The uvb will be Arcadia 7% shadedweller which is 12 inches long linear tube 8watts

Sorry I have a hard time navigating these threads sometimes he is currently in a 12 x 12 x 18 but will be upgrades to his 24 x 18 x 24 enclosure soon which the uvb will be put in that

Do you have a laptop? That's what I use to post these threads.

Frankie will soon be an exceptionally lucky gecko to have a 24 x 18 x 24 inch enclosure!

[Elizabeth Freer]

MANY EDITS!

This is VITAL.
What are the precise dimensions of Frankie's enclosure -- the enclosure you plan to use for UVB?

I've read all your messages on both your threads. You came to GU for advice. I'm sharing the best advice I have.

My crested gecko is about 17 yo. I've had him for 15 years. For 7.5 years he only ate dusted bugs. Then I switched to Pangea complete diets + some bugs. Now he doesn't want ANY bugs. He does not have UVB.

Now is NOT the time to give Frankie a break from insects to force him to eat Pangea !!! It's vital for Frankie to regain his health first!!! Now is the time to totally take a break from Pangea & Repashy! I don't know how else to say these things. Once again Frankie NEEDS to reliably eat!!! Because he's so iffy about Pangea, I recommended discontinuing Pangea until Frankie totally recovers his stick!!!

I don't know what folks feed crested geckos when they provide UVB for that gecko. All Pangea complete diets contain vitamin D3. Most/all (?) Pangea diets are complete. Non-expired Pangea complete diets rarely need extra supplementation for crested geckos.



Only AFTER 10 month old - 15 Gram Frankie is reliably basking under UVB, then supplement his bugs & worms 3x per week as follows.

Both supplement & feeding frequency decrease to Mondays & Thursdays when Frankie is 18 months old+.

When using UVB IF Frankie is eating ONLY bugs & worms you'd definitely want to provide:

• Mondays ~ Zoo Med's Reptivite multivitamins withOUT D3 @ 1 feeding per week
• Wednesdays & Fridays ~ Zoo Med's Repti Calcium withOUT D3 @ 2 feedings per week (Can use Amazon's NOW plain calcium instead. Plain calcium never expires.)
• Then @ 1-2 feedings per month use Zoo Med's Repti Calcium with D3 as a backup D3 dose instead of plain calcium @ 1 of 2 feedings for those 2 weeks.

Please read my last 2 messages: #12 & #13 --right side message numbers.

[Frankiesmoma]

Please read my last 2 messages: #12 & #13 --right side message numbers.

Ok I got all your messages, oh and I saw the edits too.

Tommorow I’m going to petsmart to get some repti calcium with d3, and I’m gonna have to order the reptivite and repti calcium without d3 because I don’t think pet smart carries it, so I’ll do that tomorrow as well, I also just ordered the things I need for his new enclosure so I’m excited, it’s gonna be bioactive and I’ll have jungle dawn led for the plants and Arcadia uvb light connected to a timer for 10 hrs a day and I also will put a Arcadia deep heat projector connected to a dimming thermostat right next to his uvb.

What temperature should I set the deep heat projector at? It’s getting around 68 - 70 degrees at night currently.


Once his mbd recovers and his stick returns should I ever reintroduce crested gecko diet? I’ll make another post on here once he gets stick back so we can discuss this actually, right now I’ll focus on his current condition.


Also I want to apologize for what I said when I posted this post, I started feeding him more insects and his stick has improved a bit, and then my vet said I still need to give Pangea, and some other people on a different forum did, so then I made another conclusion that I should just go back to my old ways and do Pangea daily/every other day and bugs once a week, ive been told he won’t starve he will eat it, I’m trying to navigate through everyone saying the importance of Pangea but also knowing my gecko won’t eat it, i came on here for help yet I disregarded the information because I got scared that I shouldn’t be feeding him insects that often, all the research I’ve done says feed crested gecko diet always, and If they won’t eat it then feed only that until your gecko gets so hungry that it eats the diet.. which thinking about it more just seems wrong especially since he is recovering, my vet also confused me saying I need to dust his bugs with calcium with d3 3 times a week, then I slowly forgot about the advice you gave me and got all confused about so just tried to go back to the basics ive always known, I figured since he’s sticking better and I’ll give him uvb soon and he’s getting liquid calcium that things will resolve but at the end of the day he needs a balanced reliable diet and he’s just isnt getting that from crested gecko diet! I figured since the diet plan you gave me was for his stick and that he started sticking a lot better this week that it would be fine but now I don’t even understand what I was thinking. The fact I came back on here, the forum you give me advice on, with an entirely different meal plan then you gave me is beyond me I was out of it I apologize, Ive been very information overloaded this week and then was told by someone to just go back to the basics which gave me a sense of calmness and more level headed ness and less confusion so then I decided I’ll do that but nope not anymore I’m taking your advice, I did what you told me to do the past week but I still did offer Pangea because my vet said to and I was dusting the bugs with repashy calcium plus because I still had yet to order the supplements you told me, I’ve made lots of mistakes and prioritized the wrong things but I’m back on track!

Thank you so much for helping me and being strict on the fact he needs the bugs 3 times a week I also feel so much better knowing your gecko ate that way for a long time and is obviously very healthy, 17 years that’s amazing!



Anyways ~

The plan is for the next month or so he will get (reason being month or so because in about that time frame he should be in his new enclosure and hopefully basking under the uvb!)
Gutloaded bugs and worms monday, Wednesday, and Friday.
Monday - lightly dusted with calcium with d3
Wednesday - lightly dusted with calcium without d3
Friday - lightly dusted with reptivite calcium without d3.
All products I plan on using will be zoomed.

Then once I finish making his new enclosure and it finishes cycling and I see him reliably using his uvb.

Mondays ~ Zoo Med's Reptivite multivitamins withOUT D3 @ 1 feeding per week
Wednesdays & Fridays ~ Zoo Med's Repti Calcium withOUT D3 @ 2 feedings per week (Can use Amazon's NOW plain calcium instead. Plain calcium never expires.)
Then @ 1-2 feedings per month use Zoo Med's Repti Calcium with D3 as a backup D3 dose instead of plain calcium @ 1 of 2 feedings for those 2 weeks.

I will be writing this all down in a notebook to retain the information and meal plans and strictly follow -

[Frankiesmoma]

Do you have a laptop? That's what I use to post these threads.

Frankie will soon be an exceptionally lucky gecko to have a 24 x 18 x 24 inch enclosure!

I have a computer I usually use my phone but now that I think about it the computer would be a lot easier

[Frankiesmoma]

Please read my last 2 messages: #12 & #13 --right side message numbers.

I see that zoo med repti calcium has 22,000 iu/lb of d3, and then some brands even have like 400,000 which is absurd, and then there’s repashy calcium plus low d which has 8,000, and Arcadia’s revitalize d3 has 5,000, which providing uvb is it safer when supplementing with d3 that 1-2 a month to use something lower in d? Or just in general really should crested gecko supplements low in d? Andi. Know they can live off repashy or Pangea which only has like 1,000 iu/lb of d, I’m confused by vitamin d haha, why do brands offer such varied amounts and still able to list them all of as equally as beneficial and normal and safe

[Elizabeth Freer]

What temperature should I set the deep heat projector at? It’s getting around 68 - 70 degrees at night currently.

Set your Deep Heat Projector @ 77-78*F during days for your crested gecko. Leave that probe where it will record your dimming thermostat's highest set temperature. You may need a separate probe from a digital thermometer to verify your dimming thermostat's setting. I prefer digital thermometers over temp guns.

I see that zoo med repti calcium has 22,000 iu/lb of d3, and then some brands even have like 400,000 which is absurd, and then there’s repashy calcium plus low d which has 8,000, and Arcadia’s revitalize d3 has 5,000, which providing uvb is it safer when supplementing with d3 that 1-2 a month to use something lower in d? Or just in general really should crested gecko supplements low in d? Andi. Know they can live off repashy or Pangea which only has like 1,000 iu/lb of d, I’m confused by vitamin d haha, why do brands offer such varied amounts and still able to list them all of as equally as beneficial and normal and safe

Are you asking for now or for when Frankie gets UVB? Please pay attention to the units: IU/kg or IU/pound!

Maybe because vitamin D3 is relatively safe??? Remember vitamin D is fat soluble.

Actually Zoo Med's Repti Calcium with D3 contains 22,907 IU/kg. That's equivalent to 10,390 IU/pound. Zoo Med's product contains a relatively low D3 content.

UVB rays take the place of most ANY vitamin D3 including the foods the geckos eat. The ONLY caution is to ONLY supplement with calcium + D3 ONLY between 1-2x per month -- just in case.

Research what keepers feed their crested geckos when the gecko is taking full advantage of its UVB.

1. For link 24 click: Calcium powders with D3 ONLY + Sticky Tongue Farms Miner-All Indoor with D3 -- July 2021 (updated)
   
   
2. For link 32 click: Sticky Tongue Farms Miner-all (Indoor, Outdoor) & Vit-All Supplements
   
   
3. For link 39 click: 100% Pure/Plain Precipitated Calcium Carbonate Powders
   
   
4. For link 132 click: Why I use and highly recommend Zoo Med's Repti Calcium with D3 & Zoo Med's ReptiVite multivitamins without D3?

[Elizabeth Freer]

The plan is for the next month or so he will get (reason being month or so because in about that time frame he should be in his new enclosure and hopefully basking under the uvb!)
Gutloaded bugs and worms monday, Wednesday, and Friday.
Monday - lightly dusted with calcium with d3
Wednesday - lightly dusted with calcium without d3
Friday - lightly dusted with reptivite calcium without d3.
All products I plan on using will be zoomed.

Currently on Fridays you will need Zoo Med's Reptivite multivitamins withOUT D3.

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Do you need some leads on finding Zoo Med's Reptivite multivitamins withOUT D3?

[Frankiesmoma]

Set your Deep Heat Projector @ 77-78*F during days for your crested gecko. Leave that probe where it will record your dimming thermostat's highest set temperature. You may need a separate probe from a digital thermometer to verify your dimming thermostat's setting. I prefer digital thermometers over temp guns.

Are you asking for now or for when Frankie gets UVB? Please pay attention to the units: IU/kg or IU/pound!

Maybe because vitamin D3 is relatively safe??? Remember vitamin D is fat soluble.

Actually Zoo Med's Repti Calcium with D3 contains 22,907 IU/kg. That's equivalent to 10,390 IU/pound. Zoo Med's product contains a relatively low D3 content.

UVB rays take the place of most ANY vitamin D3 including the foods the geckos eat. The ONLY caution is to ONLY supplement with calcium + D3 ONLY between 1-2x per month -- just in case.

Research what keepers feed their crested geckos when the gecko is taking full advantage of its UVB.

1. For link 24 click: Calcium powders with D3 ONLY + Sticky Tongue Farms Miner-All Indoor with D3 -- July 2021 (updated)
   
   
2. For link 32 click: Sticky Tongue Farms Miner-all (Indoor, Outdoor) & Vit-All Supplements
   
   
3. For link 39 click: 100% Pure/Plain Precipitated Calcium Carbonate Powders
   
   
4. For link 132 click: Why I use and highly recommend Zoo Med's Repti Calcium with D3 & Zoo Med's ReptiVite multivitamins without D3?

thank you so much you have helped me a lot and i didnt even notice it said kg thats my mistake, im very confident giving d3 with uvb now specifcally zoomeds i just had read the label wrong, and yeah i meant for when hes using uvb,

so should i just keep dhp on 78 at night and day?
i also have zoo meds digital hygrometer and i have a temp gun

[Frankiesmoma]

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i found reptivite without d3 on pangeas website so im about to order that a long with plain calcium i bought the one with d3 today