[herpetologicalgirl]

Ok I will try that . Thank you!

[moggsy]

Hi
I am just gathering information in my attempt to create a nice enviroment for a trio of Lygodactylus Williamsi I intend to buy. Something I am having trouble finding is the night time minimum temperature. I see the temperature scope is between 25 to 29 deg c. presumably this is day time.
My vivarium temperature is fine in the day just with the lighting,(hotter in areas very high up) however this drops to 20 deg in the night.
Is this too cold ?
should I use a ceramic heat bulb and thermostat to increase this night time temperature ?
Or do these lovely little creatures appreciate a night time drop ?
Another question on my mind is, are crickets a must have food or will small locusts be eaten ? The thinking behind this is I see they spend most of the time off the floor and in the mid and high canopies, if locusts were used as the main protein source and they are vegetarian, I could just add a number without worrying about the Williamsi being eaten themselves(as crickets in the night might. Would the crickets in the day not just hide under the floor debris-substrate) ?
thank you in anticipation
geoff (moggsy)

[Airedale]

I don't know much about L Williamsi except that they are really small, so I am not sure if locusts would work. Small crickets would.

I suppose small locusts might work, but I don't know for sure.

[moggsy]

thank you for your thoughts, I will just try I suppose.
Also the the humid conditions may be a problem, as how long will locusts live in these conditions ?

[herpetologicalgirl]

update: All 4 of my williamsi are doing well I have been feeding pinhead crickets, 1/8 inch crickets, melanogaster and hydei fruit flies, along with a Phelsuma honey mixture. Today, however, I'm going to try them on a Repashy Diet. I've realized that what I was feeding them was no different than what I was originally feeding my crested geckos (baby food base with various other things), and in both cases the Repashy Diet seems to be of more sustenance. In addition, I will mix in some honey for the williamsi. Insects are dusted with Rep-Cal.

I have caught my pairs mating over the last couple of days! I hope to have eggs soon

[moggsy]

useful info update:
a helpful and reputable dealer supplied me with the following information I thought may be of interest to others.
"The electric blue geckos would be fine at those temperatures. Ours drop to around 18 C at night with daytime highs of 27 – 32 C."
"The geckos will eat the smallest locust hoppers but would struggle with anything bigger"
Herpetologicalgirl please keep with the updates I for one find your posts informative and would like to know details of any developments-good luck with your breeding.

[herpetologicalgirl]

Thanks for the kind words, Moggsy I guess I'll update again!

Since moving to the Repashy MRP diet, I have seen an increase in feeding activity from these guys (as opposed to the phelsuma mixture). I now have a breeding group of 6 Williamsi: 2.4. All 4 of my females are gravid, I now have 2 eggs and many more on the way All of the aforementioned insects in my last post are readily accepted, and all are sprinkled with Rep-Cal.

Here are my specs:
-The room is kept at a daytime temperature of 82 degrees F (I have other animals that enjoy the same ambient temp, so I thought I'd see how these guys do).
-Favorite basking sites are the thicker horizontal branches (slightly thicker than their bodies) closest to the light source (any closer and they would be part of the screen top, that's how close).
-Ambient temperature in the enclosure is 85.
-Basking sites range in temps from 90-96.
-The enclosure is fitted with an undertank heating pad that is on 24/7 to keep the enclosure slightly higher than room temp at all times. This also helps to keep the humidity up.
-Night time low's in the enclosure drop to about 80.
-Tank is misted twice a day.

1 female has developed an eye problem where it looks like the entire eye is covered in a crust of some sort. She was removed to a quarantine tank so that she did not have to compete for food. She has put on more weight since then, and I will try to treat the eye with a q-tip dipped in an anti-bacterial fish medication (this ensures that the medication's concentration should be safe enough for the reptile, since it's safe enough for fish). I'll keep you guys posted, and I'll keep my fingers crossed.

~HerpetologicalGirl

[moggsy]

HerpetologicalGirl great update, nice new information and well done.

It is interesting to note the large difference in night time temperatures, the geckos must adapt pretty well, or I wonder if the Europe captive bred strain has adapted, while some in areas of the U.S. has not needed to.

Maybe Stoph who obviously has great knowledge and originally wrote the fantastic care sheet that started this thread, may have some thoughts.

One thing I do know is anyone looking to start keeping Lygodactylus Williamsi and they find this forum it will help them tremendously, it has certainly answered a few questions for myself and hopefully it will produce more little pieces of information to help in the correct and comfortable keeping of these little creatures who are losing their natural habitat.

Hopefully your female will respond to treatment, you are obviously looking after her. I suppose you have looked on the web for a cause ? a couple of posts I read seem to think possible problems with a shed can cause this, they have administered treatment similar to yourself, plus the use of a saline solution in conjunction with antibacterial medication, this has been administered three times a day for up to three weeks. I am the opposite to a expert, so this is only what I read. Maybe if you emailed Stoph directly he/she may help. I am lucky to have a expert reptile vet 10 minutes away, although I wish never to see him.

Moggsy

[NakedSurfer55]

Hey,
I was wondering whether or not it would be a good idea to keep two different species of geckos in the same terrarium. I was thinking Male Electric Blue and Female Gold Dust Day? Let me know if that isn't a good idea, or any alternatives you may have. Thanks.

[Airedale]

Combining species is often looked down on, however, I have heard stories of successful combinations. First off, make sure you know how to care for each species separately. After you decide to introduce them, monitor them closely, and make sure the vivarium has enough room for everyone to have their own space. I personally wouldn't chance injury by combining different species.