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    Smile #109---Vionate powder & Osteo-Form SA powder


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    I don't recommend either Vionate powder or Osteo-Form SA powder.
    • It's been years since Vionate and Osteo-Form SA powder were commonly used (except perhaps by breeders)!
    • Now we have reptile-specific multivitamins and calcium with D3 products.

    Click: https://www.drugs.com/vet/osteo-form-sa.html


    Vionate powder contains
    • vitamin A palmitate = 220,000 IU/kg
    • vitamin D3 (D-activated animal sterol) = 22,000 IU/kg
    • calcium = 9.5--11.4%
    • phosphorus = 4.79% (47,828 mg/kg)

    Zoo Med's ReptiVite™ with D3 powder contains
    • vitamin A acetate (retinol) = 220,264 IU/kg
    • vitamin D3 = 10,390 IU/kg, 22,907 IU/pound
    • calcium = 24.9% min, 28% max
    • phosphorus = 10.6% minimum

    Osteo-Form SA powder contains
    Guaranteed Analysis Per 350 grams:
    • Vitamin A palmitate = 328,571 IU/kg, 115,000 IU (?)
    • Vitamin D3 (cholecalciferol) = 32,857 IU/kg, 11,500 IU (?)
    • Calcium = 27.0% min, 32.0% max
    • Phosphorus = 16.5% minimum

    Ingredients: Dicalcium phosphate, tricalcium phosphate, calcium carbonate, polysorbate 80, citric acid, ascorbic acid, (a preservative), vitamin A palmitate and cholecalciferol.
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 07-03-2019 at 03:17 AM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)
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    Smile #110---My ~10.5 yo leo Cha's enclosure tour......EF -- Jan 2015

    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 07-07-2017 at 01:58 PM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)
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    Unless this information is coming from a nutritionist, it holds little water IMO. Also, poultry mix is generally mostly corn and not often considered a good source of food for your feeder insects. In any case, I still would not use two products containing D3. It's overused in general in the hobby as it is.
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    That's odd because I received an email with you quoting me in this thread and saying that you disagree with me. Obviously, you have since deleted your quote. If you don't want me to comment in here, don't quote me in here. Pretty much common sense.
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    I just received 3 more notices of you quoting me in this post. Please stop quoting me. You're wasting my time.
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    Smile #111---Repashy's Calcium Plus: vitamin D content + forms of vitamin D......Hilde

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    "There are several forms of vitamin D.

    Vitamin D without a subscript (the tiny 3 behind the D, for example) refers to either D2 or D3 or both. Either form will be converted to a biologically active form, one that the body uses whatever it needs the vitamin D for.

    The two major physiologically relevant forms of vitamin D are D2 (ergocalciferol) and D3(cholecalciferol). Vitamin D3 is photosynthesized in the skin of vertebrates by the action of solar ultraviolet (UV) B radiation. Vitamin D and D2 are processed in the body to produce whatever form of vitamin D is needed - so as long as there is some vitamin D present, and the liver and kidneys are fully functional, then vitamin D will be converted to the appropriate form.

    The whole process is rather complicated, this is just a quick and simple summary. If you want to look into it in detail, Google will have the answers for you.

    Saying there is vitamin D in the supplement is all that's needed, the body will make the other forms. If you have a sick animal, compromised liver or kidney function, then it's better to supply the specific form of vitamin D. It is assumed you're using it for a healthy animal, if it's sick, you'd be taking it to a vet who could prescribe the appropriate form according to the gecko's condition.


    The supplement in question says it contains all the essential vitamins, minerals and trace elements. Since this is a very reputable product, it's quite safe to assume that it also means it includes the appropriate form(s) of vitamins, including vitamin D."

    ......Our geckos appreciate your feedback, Hilde!

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    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 07-27-2017 at 03:08 AM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    Smile #112---Cricket Care Guidelines II -- June 2019 update (latest version)

    Dry Insect Diet: A 24/7 dry insect diet should contain (~16% protein, less than 5% fat, moderate fiber) + vitamin D3, vitamin A acetate (retinol) or vitamin A palmitate, and vitamin B12!

    Finely grind all these pellets in a Krups coffee/spice grinder or place the pellets in a plastic bag and pound them with a hammer.


    Water Crystal/Gel Alert! -- June 2019
    I continue to read significant cautions about water crystals from very experienced keepers. Dehydrated water crystals have been found in the guts of deceased animals. Instead I use a couple layers of moist paper towels to provide moisture for crickets and dubia.
    Diatomaceous Earth Alert!
    Some chicken feeds contain diatomaceous earth. If diatomaceous earth is in a product, it should be listed on the label!

    I only recommend Albers' All Purpose Poultry Feed or Purina Layena Crumbles poultry feed, because they don't contain diatomaceous earth. If you cannot find those in the USA, don't buy poultry feed.

    "Diatomaceous earth is a natural antiparasitic for bird flocks. If ingested by insects, diatomaceous earth is fatal. The microscopic diatoms cut up insects' insides and cause a nasty death. It is also used topically for insect infestations as it will cut through exoskeletons or soft bodied worms and cause "bleed out." I have not read of anyone accidentally using a chicken feed with it in there and what effects it had on a colony of roaches/crickets/mealworms, et cetera, but I believe better safe than sorry and to warn people of it in case someone wants to use a different brand."

    Quoted from hmarie186 -- 1 February 2015
    NEVER toss uneaten insects or worms back in with the colony OR feed them to other geckos! This prevents bacteria, parasites, or diseases like cryptosporidosis from spreading. Always freeze (or otherwise destroy) all uneaten insects or worms from any gecko's enclosure.
    By following these tips it's easy to keep your crickets alive and thriving 1-2 months past purchase:
    • Crickets live about 9 weeks. Good ventilation is critical for long lives! Crickets also need lots of space and paper towels that are thoroughly moistened under the faucet daily. Squeeze out excess water!
    • Keep them at normal room temps (68-74*F, 20-23.3*C).
    • Unbox your crickets as soon as they reach room temperature.
    • Use a 56 quart Sterilite plastic bin, a 10 gallon tank, or an extra large Kritter Keeper. [My 56 qt bins measure: 22 inches long x 16 inches deep x 11.75 inches tall (at the top of the bin).]
    • Place a small scoop of finely ground (or "hammered") Zoo Med's Natural ADULT Bearded Dragon Food, Albers' All Purpose Poultry Feed, Purina Layena Crumbles, or already ground Pro Gutload diet (by Professional Reptiles) on the bottom of the insect container. Also keep some dry diet in shallow ridged lids like Jif peanut butter lids. Cover those lids with a small section of egg flats.
    • Empty crickets into the container.
    • Place several cardboard (~6) half egg flats on end (vertically), back-to-back, front-to-front, and so on. This method gives crickets adequate space. The more space crickets have, the less they will die from overheating (heat encapsulation effect).
    • Providing Moisture for Crickets -- Crickets "drink" from damp paper towels.
      • Place 2 layers of paper towels on top of the egg cartons.
      • Once daily thoroughly moisten the paper towels under the faucet and squeeze out excess water.
      • Replace the wet paper towels on top of the egg cartons.
      • Optional: A ridged lid of wet Eco Earth's coco fiber also keeps crickets hydrated. (Crickets eat dry coco fiber! )
      • Add chopped high calcium/low phosphorus leafy greens (collard, mustard, turnip) or pesticide-free dandelion flowers/greens in a small ridged lid next to the cricket food.
      • I DON'T recommend using water gel crystals at all! Repeatedly I have read about reptiles dying when water gel crystals were found in their guts. These warnings have been shared by respected gecko breeders.
    • Keep the dry food dry to avoid mold and to keep vitamins and other nutrients viable.
    • Every so often use a small whisk broom to remove cricket feces and dead crickets.
    • In addition Armstrong's Crickets suggests lightly roughing up the lower sides of these bins with sandpaper to give crickets more space to hang out.
    • Cricket water dispensers and spare parts can be purchased from Armstrong's.


    To check nutrient levels (calcium, phosphorus, et cetera) of many foods enter the particular food on this United States Department of Agriculture link: Foods List
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 06-27-2019 at 03:36 PM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)
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    Smile #113---Gecko Time articles......acpart (Aliza Arzt), editor

    Many thanks to GU's acpart (Aliza) for continuing her informative email newsletter Gecko Time.

    Gecko Time articles can be found by clicking Archives - Gecko Time - Gecko Time. All Aliza's articles are listed there by date. Each entry is a link to the article. Search for "bio" and find 2 articles.
    • Includes several articles on Lygodactylus williamsi, one by Maureen Kosinski

    Selected Issues:

    29 January 2019: Zach Brink

    5 June 2018: Zach Bartlett
    Here's a different take on housing geckos that combines the best features of a tub and a rack.

    10 Oct 2017: Tony Gamble

    25 July 2017: Aliza Arzt
    "Plague House" is Aliza's personal gecko nightmare with Cryptosporidiosis

    23 May 2017: Aliza Arzt

    14 March 2017: Aliza Arzt

    20 September 2016: Aliza Artz

    12 April 2016: Arjan van der Meer

    25 August 2015: Rachel Gratis
    For those experienced leopard gecko keepers who wish to provide their leos with enriched environments, check out this article.

    4 August 2015: Aliza Arzt

    9 April 2015: Aliza Arzt

    26 March 2015: Gregory Mertz, DVM

    22 April 2014: Mark D. Finke, PhD

    17 December 2013: Ben Bargen

    29 October 2013: Tom Wood (GU's Aquapimp) and all

    30 July 2013: Justin Morash, Oliver Kuepper, & Jon Boone

    6 March 2012: Ivan Alfonso, DVM

    27 December 2011: Aliza Arzt

    24 May 2011: Aliza Arzt

    9 November 2010: Laney Simmons with Ivan Alfonso, DVM

    13 April 2010: Matthew Kammerer

    20 April 2009: ProGeckos (Cody Castellanos) (Professional Reptiles' Pro Gutload Dry Insect Diet)
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 09-09-2019 at 01:25 AM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)
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    Smile #114---Awesome Leo Hides Handmade with River Rocks......GU's JessJohnson87

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    "I found the container in my cabinet within the pile of containers I do not use to store food. I found a great sale on decorative rocks at Michael's! Got some DAP 100% silicone (aquarium safe of course), glued them sumbich's on, added a few festive flower arrangement leaves and BOOM, leo Ziggy approved. He loves that container more than his coke box I had cut up for him.

    The DAP tube recommends 24-48 hours for curing and for letting the fumes dissipate."

    Visuals of the entire process: Revamping food storage containers.

    Scroll to post #28 in this thread: Post what you have found for your reptile!!
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 07-08-2017 at 03:18 AM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    Smile #115---Insights on Ovulating Leopard Geckos......GU's arawn from France -- 2015


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    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 07-08-2017 at 03:21 AM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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