Updates on a few Tokays

Kita · #1 08-11-2010, 07:21 PM

My morph girls look great now that their putting on weight! One of my normal pairs on here too.

Tornado, now 99.7 grams.
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Fujita, currently with 6 eggs! 70.6 grams. She kinda looks like a low grade high orange.

Rain, currently with her first pair of eggs! 63.3 grams

Overcast, also currently with her first pair of eggs! My heaviest female at 83.9 grams! She matches NERD's Ice Man rather well as a Blue Ghost instead of a Granite.

I love her copper eyes and her white mouth is neat!

**Riverside Reptiles** · #2 08-11-2010, 09:56 PM

Very nice. I'm curious if any of your morphs are cb? Or are they all wc? I just ask because I'd like to know the genetics behind them. But obviously, that's only possible if they're cb.

Cnote · #3 08-12-2010, 12:11 AM

Wow very cool !

Kita · #4 08-12-2010, 12:13 AM

The morphs for certain are wild caught. The two normals are most likely, but no way to find out. Only one of my adults is captive, my 9 year old normal male Avalanche. He was hatched in a pet store.

Tokay-Gecko · #5 08-12-2010, 07:27 AM

WoW verry nice

**Riverside Reptiles** · #6 08-12-2010, 11:32 AM

I'm starting to think that many of these morphs are coming from Calico bloodlines. Compare your granite "Rain" to this juvie of mine that is captive bred calico x calico:

And compare your blue ghost "Overcast" to the Calico father of my juvies:

Very similar looking animals. And of course, we all know that "leucistics" can also come from calicos. So, to me, it's looking like a lot of these various morphs on the market are perhaps actually variants of the same morph.

Kita · #7 08-12-2010, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Riverside Reptiles

I'm starting to think that many of these morphs are coming from Calico bloodlines. Compare your granite "Rain" to this juvie of mine that is captive bred calico x calico:

How do your calico x calico babies look fired up/dark colors? Rain is the only one of my 3 morphs that has no pied blotches at all. I don't think shes going to change colors though because she weighed 66.2 grams back in March when I got her and hasn't had any changes during these past 5 months. Currently this is the lightest I've seen her go:

This is the darkest I've seen her, but I didn't take her outside because she seemed to be in shed as well though I don't think even shed would have blacked out all of her pattern.

Thats the first time I'd seen her completely match my morph male, Black Frost. He only has pied markings on his toes:

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And compare your blue ghost "Overcast" to the Calico father of my juvies:

You can see Overcast's only pied marking over her right shoulder . Do all of your adult calicos have 'faded' spots that look like they are bleeding through their base body color? Would you consider that to be a defining feature to a calico?

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Very similar looking animals. And of course, we all know that "leucistics" can also come from calicos. So, to me, it's looking like a lot of these various morphs on the market are perhaps actually variants of the same morph.

Overcast does seem very similar to your calicos in how her spots have been fading into her base color. I'm sure your already familiar, but here are the photos I was comparing her to when I was noting her similarity to Iceman. I've only had her 2.5 months and you can see a big change from the above photo to the updated photos. Rain and Black Frost I'm not quite sure. Do any of yours go jet black?

I'm thinking there hasn't been enough breeding among the morphs to completely identify all the variations of each type and definitely agree with you that many are the same type regardless of what they are being called. Or at the very least, those that have been breeding morphs haven't released much information. Have you produced enough morph offspring to determine at what age they complete their color change?

holocaustto · #8 08-12-2010, 05:55 PM

WOW, very very very nice looking Tokays! Congrats!

I cant stop wondering... dont you get bitten A LOT?? How come they are all tame!

Kita · #9 08-13-2010, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by holocaustto

WOW, very very very nice looking Tokays! Congrats!

I cant stop wondering... dont you get bitten A LOT?? How come they are all tame!

Thank you! 3 of my normals are completely tame, to point of coming to the door when I open the tank to be hand fed, and my 4 morphs run through my hands a lot, but they don't bite much. A couple of my females were a bit more aggressive for these new photos because they had just laid eggs and I hadn't seen them yet to know they were in protective mode, but I still only get 1-2 nips that draw a little blood.

After my normal male Avalanche took half the end of my finger off through the nail, none of the others bother me. He was very obviously tormented by his previous owners because I have never known a Tokay that wanted a piece of me so bad that he would cross a four foot tank to attack me.

holocaustto · #10 08-13-2010, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Kita

Thank you! 3 of my normals are completely tame, to point of coming to the door when I open the tank to be hand fed, and my 4 morphs run through my hands a lot, but they don't bite much. A couple of my females were a bit more aggressive for these new photos because they had just laid eggs and I hadn't seen them yet to know they were in protective mode, but I still only get 1-2 nips that draw a little blood.

After my normal male Avalanche took half the end of my finger off through the nail, none of the others bother me. He was very obviously tormented by his previous owners because I have never known a Tokay that wanted a piece of me so bad that he would cross a four foot tank to attack me.

haha i see
but how did get them to be tame?