[Aquira]

Some very gorgeous animals in this thread.
Crazy how those calico x calico babies are turning out so different.
Those blue granites are delicious, Kita.
I love that "Dilute" male a lot for some reason.

[Ophidiophile]

I just wanted to chime in again to remind people that when we're talking about morphs and their characteristics, it is important to remember that Tokays not only change radically from youth to adulthood but keep undergoing changes throughout life.

As an example, the photo of my adult "Blue Calico" was taken over a year ago.
Just as a reminder, here's what he looked like (and this is what he looked like also when I got him approximately two years ago):



However, starting about two or three months ago, he started looking like this:



This is not just a day/night or stressed/unstressed thing. This is what he looks like now all the time!

By contrast, some of you may remember a black granite on black male Tokay that I got in a while back. I subsequently sold him to a friend locally and he has now turned blue.

I have also had a pure white leucistic that developed black spots on her back and have spoken to other keepers who've seen the same thing happen with leucistics.

The more I learn about Tokays, the weirder and more interesting they turn out to be!

[Riverside Reptiles]

David, that's CRAZY how much he changed!!! Now I'm really excited to see what happens with these calico x calico babies over time. I think that this is one of the reasons you don't see a lot of people talking about tokay genetics...they just haven't been able to figure them out. I do remember that black male. I'm kind of sad to hear that he turned blue as he was a beautiful and unique looking animal. But I'd be curious to see pics of him after the change if you can get some.

So what tokay morphs (if any) are actually truly simple recessive and actually breed true all the time? I've heard that the patternless morph breeds true. And I've heard the same about the green morph. But I've certainly seen some animals that have turned out more green than others. And I'm still wondering if they are truly simple recessive (ie do the hets really reproduce the morph with the same statistical odds as every other recessive morph)? Any input from anyone on these questions?

[MauricesExoticPets]

I think a weeding out process needs to be done, it may well be that there are few tokay geckos that are het free from any cluster mess of potential morphs. Think mouse genetics, take an asperin or 20, then try again, mice are a mess when it come to their zillions of morphs that interact with each other. It's enough to drive a man to drinking, ok I already drink, but thats not the point.

What effects do sexual maturity have on coloration, I suspect in a normal tokay we are less able to see the slight difference they use to identify themselves as sexualy mature, but it should be there, in morphs the change is visible to us as a drastic color shift mainly because we have removed the one or more colors that cloud our ability to see the change.

I don't have a clue what I'm talking about here just tossing out ideas to get the conversation going. Just think of my part as idea generator, not as informative, I'm pretty sure I have very little to offer in that department regarding tokay morphs.

Maurice Pudlo

[Ophidiophile]

Originally Posted by Riverside Reptiles

So what tokay morphs (if any) are actually truly simple recessive and actually breed true all the time?

Apart from the ones you mention Ethan, I've heard that the albinos - both T+ "caramels" and "T-" are simple recessives that breed true. I have no experience with this - it's just what I've been told. Hopefully I'll have some first-hand experience with the T+ variety really soon

[Ophidiophile]

Originally Posted by Riverside Reptiles

I do remember that black male. I'm kind of sad to hear that he turned blue as he was a beautiful and unique looking animal. But I'd be curious to see pics of him after the change if you can get some.

So here he is black:


And here he is blue:

[Kita]

Oh I remember him! I wanted to buy him, but you said a friend had him on breeder loan! What kind of girls do you have him with and when are you expecting babies? I'd like to work with animals that lack all the red/orange/yellow that so many have, including the greens since calicos with green get the yellowish edging along their white.

I love that boy!

[PrettyInInk]

Wow! I had no idea Tokay Geckos had so many morphs. All of these guys are BEAUTIFUL... Here are my Tokays. Don't know morphs or anything but they do look way different from one another.

This is "Oscar"


and "Missy"


I'm pretty sure they are both female but am not totally sure... Missy is a lot bigger and brighter than Oscar. She also had more of a stockier head than Oscar.

[Ophidiophile]

Originally Posted by Kita

Oh I remember him! I wanted to buy him, but you said a friend had him on breeder loan! What kind of girls do you have him with and when are you expecting babies?
I love that boy!

He's still with my friend. And stupidly, I told him he could keep him indefinitely. I think he has him in with just a normal female. I know he's gotten eggs but has been pretty unsuccessful at hatching anything. I should definitely get him back - he's a pretty unique tokay!

[Aquira]

What a very lovely tokay. I remember seeing that black male for sale and it made me drool. X)
The blue version of him still looks pretty sweet though.