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    Wow i love the female in the first pic! Beautiful colors, haven't seen one with the two tones of blues like her, really really makes me want one!

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    I would consider that girl a calico as well. She has the white spot on her head and white toes. But on the other side naming tokay morphs that arent proven is pretty pointless. Some older pics:

    tropcalico2_07.jpgtropcalico2_04.jpgtropcalico2_02.jpgtropcalico2_01.jpg
    aint nothing like rhacs!
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    [QUOTE=ciliatus;427536]I would consider that girl a calico as well. She has the white spot on her head and white toes. But on the other side naming tokay morphs that arent proven is pretty pointless.

    I'll second that! What I have been able to produce is a Blue Granite by line breeding a double het male offspring back to its' white Granite/pied mother.

    I've produced an all white with black eyes offspring by doing the same thing with another pair of white pied and their normal looking, double het offspring.

    A couple of observations so far:

    The Granite is only blue on very rare occasions. I suspect we'll she more from her once she comes of age.

    The all white Tokay is now developing patches of dark patches with patterning. This confirms that her piedbaldism is progressive. Meaning is will continue to change over time, or at least up through adulthood.

    So far, visual offspring with most of these white Tokay has only been possible through line breeding. By working with related animals the genetics line up correctly.

    It has been my hypothesis that all the white Tokay are of the same genetic piedbald complex. What we've been seeing in wild caught examples is Tokay at various stages of their given condition.

    I'm working to create some clarification by calling the multicolored Tokay, (Like my Avatar), a true Calico/pied. They feature varying patches of light green/gold/dark green/yellow/white/black and orange. I have offspring from two separate visual pairs that have produced duplicates with large patches of color and siblings were the color is speckled or Molten/Pied.

    I'm further speculating that there is no Leucistic Tokay. I've never seen valid documentation of a blue eyed Tokay. Nor do I believe a white Tokay with black eyes is true leucism. A lot more breeding results will be needed to confirm or dispute what I've seen so far.

    I've also noted before that a lot of the patches on white Tokay actually have a Granite pattern in them. I have several of these and I'd prefer to call these Granite/pied. The other pied I have show patches of normal patterning.

    I do not have any results to predict a peach head so I'm not addressing that just yet. Obviously we are still in the very beginning stages of figuring these genetics out and I'm open to the fact this may all very well change as we get a couple of generations further down the road. I do feel that some naming adjustment are warranted at this point over what we've been working with to date.
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    F-2 Prog Pied Pos F (150)_3DS1797LR.jpgThis low white (Progressive) Pied reminded me of your Granite/pied above.
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    Wow she's beautiful as well. Love the coloration.
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    Just want to say I love this thread, too bad theirs so many broken links in the beginning.

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