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    Valentine's Day Update: Loki is still eating on his own, but not very much, so I've taken to giving him a few CCs of Carnivore Care in the morning alongside his meds. Ordered a large Blatta lateralis colony that should be shipped next week, weather permitting. I hope he and my leopard geckos will all be enthusiastic about them. None of my critters have been impressed by dubias (too slow, and too big for some of my leos), and I really hate crickets, so I'm hoping this will be a solution that satisfies everybody!

    Loki has his second vet appointment on Wednesday. His first fecal test was negative for parasites, but the vet is going to do a second one free of charge to be absolutely certain. If that also comes back clean, I can finally add substrate to his enclosure. I've been keeping it fairly bare bones, so I can sterilize everything regularly. He does have plenty of slate and cork bark to climb, but it would be nice to add some plants.

    This morning as I was giving him his meds, he sank his teeth into my shirt and just would not let go. I threw a tea towel over him so he wouldn't feel so exposed, and caught up on my reading for an hour until he relaxed I'm lucky that he's been more inclined to bite fabric than flesh so far, though I'm sure I'll get tagged eventually.
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    Redecorated Loki's viv a bit today, since I had him out for meds and a meal of Carnivore Care any way. Here he is looking poleaxed just after I put him back in.

    Since I've been dosing him every morning, I've noticed that he has a wee bit of a crossbite. Not sure if that's genetic, an old injury, or further evidence of his bones being messed up. Will ask the vet what she thinks on Wednesday.
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    Well Tokay can suffer from metabolic bone disease too.

    Also, I'll mention this here since it can be an issue with malnourished Tokay. Don't let them have the opportunity to bite down hard on anything. Tokay jaw muscles can be much stronger than their frail bones from lack of good nutrition. When they latch on, the 'sink-their-eyes-into-the-back-of-their-head' type bite, they risk a chance of breaking their jaw bones.

    I've had one come in that way and other fresh import actually snap her jaw on my finger. Surgery saved the first but not the second. The first one was the same one I was talking about earlier in this tread. She was on Oxbow for 4 months.

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    Ouch! Poor girl. Glad she recovered for you. Sad about the second one. Reminds me of when I volunteered at a wildlife rehab facility back in my home state. We'd get hundreds of animals in every year, and only about half of them would recover and be fit for release back into the wild. The odds just aren't as good for wild animals, because stress is a much larger problem than it is with domesticated species, and we don't have as much information on their specific medical needs the way we do a dog's or a horse's.

    I would not be at all surprised if Loki's infection stemmed from MBD, since he had multiple problem areas, so something systemic would make sense. I've been gutloading and dusting all feeders with calcium and D3, so I am hoping with time he will be less fragile. Should I add any calcium/multivitamin to the Carnivore Care, or is it best to use as is?

    I really appreciate how you've been following this thread and giving advice. The information about weak-boned Tokays being able to break their own jaws is very useful (and scary!). I'm wondering if he's been so disinclined to bite me because he's already injured himself that way in the past. Usually I have more trouble coaxing him to open his mouth than getting him to let go of something.
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    Critical care has a good balance of calcium to phosphorous for basic nutrition. It does have a little extra calcium for increased bone production.

    1:1 Cal to Phos is the normal balanced goal. 2:1 is the high end for increase bone production. Oxbow Carni-Critical Care published amounts are:

    Calcium (min) 1.40%
    Calcium (max) 1.80%
    Phosphorus 1.20%

    By the way, a domestic cricket is 1:9 without proper gutloading and dusting.
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    Quick Update: Took Loki to his second vet appointment yesterday. He gained 6 grams, and the vet and I both hope that this trend continues. The swelling at his elbow also looks a bit more localized, and smaller overall, which is good news. The plan is to keep him on his current meds, since they are probably helping, and go back in 2 weeks for an X-ray to evaluate how effective this course of treatment is, and wether changes need to be made.
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    Loki is doing well this week. He's regained his appetite, enough that I have stopped supplementing with Carnivore Care for the time being, which in turn means he is less stressed. I've noticed him using more of his enclosure, too.

    Other exciting news: The lovely folks at Sabrina's Reptile Kingdom have, at my request, been keeping their eyes peeled for CB Tokays at the shows they attend, and were able to find one juvenile Tokay at the Hamburg PA show this past weekend! So I've now got another little guy (or girl), who is in perfect condition. He's been understandably shy so far, but the crickets disappear by morning, so I'm happy to let him settle in without disturbance. He really is the cutest little thing.
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    Loki decided my finger was today's brunch special. I just let him hang out and let go at his own pace, since trying to separate his teeth from my flesh just makes him more enthusiastic, and I worry for his jaw.

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    "I've had enough of your filthy, human medicines! Feel my wrath! Feeeel iiiit."

    I'm happy that he seems more energetic these days I didn't think he was really lethargic when I got him, but now that he's leading me on a merry chase around his viv every morning when it's time for his medicine, I can see that he definitely wasn't at his best. I am hopeful that next week's x-ray will show some healing.

    Juvie Tokay is also settling in, and has been tentatively named Gozer. Because it seems that naming Tokays after malevolent gods is how I roll I have seen him only once, when he popped his head out from behind a piece of slate to bark at me for misting his enclosure. He and Loki are both going through crickets with voracious speed!

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    "Soon, miserable human, vengeance shall be mine."

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    "Oh, yes. Soon."
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    I love his random oversized spots.
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    Loki had his third vet appointment today. His vet decided to wait a few more weeks on the second x-ray, since he is making slow but steady progress. So, antibiotics for another three weeks, then we'll take a look. He is definitely improving, albeit slowly, and the vet is hopeful that the antibiotics will be all he ends up needing, no surgical intervention necessary. Definitely keeping my fingers crossed!

    All of the employees are utterly in love with Loki, despite the feeling not being mutual :P The vet tech even asked to snap a few pics of him on her phone to show to her friends
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