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    Default Sorta-noob here, reputable Tokay breeders?


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    Hello everyone, I'm relatively new to the reptile field (started with a Beardie a couple years ago, and have since expanded to two leos, a WC Tokay named Larry (actually female, but the name stuck) who's currently thriving despite constantly doing her best impression of a buzzsaw, a Crestie, a Uromastyx and two corn snakes), and I've found a particular passion for Tokays. I like and appreciate the misunderstood ones, for some reason.

    This past weekend at Repti-Con, I purchased our second Tokay female from a breeder who apparently was full of it when he claimed she was CB, as he couldn't tell me where he got her from, only that she was "new". When we got her home, she was very calm, which surprised us. She attempted to bark only once, and it was very faint. We put her in her new enclosure (12x12x18 I believe) to acclimate her to her new surroundings, with the intent of putting her into our 18x18x24 tank once she had settled down. She had problems sticking to the glass, and spent most of her time on the ground level, just laying around. She had no interest in live food, but seemed to drink lots of water and enjoyed a couple of cap fulls of Pangaea crestie food. About 4 days after we got her, she started going through a shed and it all went downhill from there. Her head and tail refused to come off, and she was rapidly losing weight. I'd say it seemed like half her body mass disappeared in about two days. Her hips and tail were a little skinny when we got her, but the rest of her was pretty filled out.

    Yesterday, I took a moist Q-tip and helped her through the rest of the shed, and she was able to grab the skin on her head and pull it off herself. I turned the night light on for some heat and covered her tank with a sheet so she wouldn't be disturbed by movement or anything else, but four hours later I checked on her and she had passed. She just laid down on the floor and died. Her humidity had been between 80-90% and the temps in the small tank were between 80-85 degrees, higher right up near the bulb. I just have a sneaking suspicion she had parasites and the stress of the convention mixed with the move to our house was too much for her. We have a local vet here I was intending to have a fecal done at, but she actually didn't poop for the duration of her short stay with us. Sad, but we did everything we could.

    We're going to be looking into another Tokay eventually, and I just don't want to go to any of the local shops and get a half-dead one only to not be able to nurse it back to health like we did with our other one, Larry. Larry came from a batch of WC and was rather skinny when we got her, but oddly parasite-free and possessing a hell of a fighting spirit. She's endlessly curious, but has the classic Tokay personality, i.e. the aforementioned buzzsaw. This is her last week, after she got comfortable enough to move around in her new, larger vivarium.

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    Couldn't get any front shots as she took off shortly after I snapped those. Now my mission is to fatten her up as much as possible, so I'm trying a dish of waxworms here and there and dipping into my Dubia colony, though she seems rather stuck on crickets overall.

    Back to the original question: I've seen a few posters on here such as RiversideReptiles and billewicz, but I'm not sure where I can go if and when I decide to invest in another Tokay. I don't care about morphs, I'd prefer a male, but all I care about overall is getting a healthy boy or girl. They can be mean as hell or sweet, I love 'em all. Any recommendations?

    Thanks in advance, and sorry for the long post.

    Trey
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    both of the folks you mentioned will hook you up nicely!

    good luck - and yes, it sounds like your girl was WC poor thing.
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    I think RiversideReptiles knows his stuff really well with tokays and should be able to sell you a male tame enough not to be too aggressive.
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    Thanks guys. I actually happened upon a male/female juvenile pair this weekend at Petco, of all places. Maybe 4-5 inches long, tops. Healthy, active, bouncing around all over the place and eating anything they see moving within a foot of them. I'd assume they were WC, but they're obviously from the same clutch and rather tolerant of my presence, so maybe I just got lucky.

    Once they start reaching maturity I'm probably going to move the male to a different enclosure to make sure the female has extra time to mature so he doesn't start forcing the mating issue. Having only ever had the single Tokay before, it's pretty cool to watch them grow up and bond with each other.

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    if they are indeed from the same clutch, it would be wise not to breed them, it's a matter of common sense to avoid inbreeding, saying this just in case
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    Well Hello,

    And welcome to the Tokay portion of the forums here at GeckosUnlimited. Your second Tokay was wild caught and needed to have been treated as soon as you got her.

    I've had the opportunity to import several hundred Tokay (morphs mostly) and have had great success with the typical Panacur/Flagyl regiment along with subcutaneous fluids. All things a vet could have helped you with.

    I also invite you to read back through the many threads here pertaining to husbandry, diet, etc. This information has been gleaned from several Tokay keepers over the last couple of years and really represents the best information available on Tokay right now. From there you'll probably want to make some adjustments to improve your Tokay experience.

    Good Luck,

    Michael's Tokay Hoard
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