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    First off, thank you for your pledge Mike.


    The following is the email message sent to Bill:

    Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 08:48:36 -0500
    Dear Mr Bill Love,

    There is a big debate of captive care in this species regaurding UVB and D3. I and many others believe that these misunderstandings contribute to the very sporadic success we are having producing healthy hatchlings. Many of us would prefer to us UVb lighting and cut out the D3, as it is widely thought that they are sensitive to it the Vitamin D3.

    We are looking for a person that travels to Madagascar to take some UV readings in situ, for us when a Uroplatus is discovered sleeping out in the open during stronger daylight hours. This person will be sent a UVB meter if he/she does not already have one. The documentation would be very simple and take hardly anytime away from the researcher. What we are looking for is this person to take the UVB reading within inches of the sleeping animal during the day. All that needs to be recorded is the species, general local (forest stand or preserve) time of day, and of course the UVB reading. Obviusly the animals are easier to find at night but may not be discovered during the day. If one is in a forest stand where they have found Uroplatus before, a reading may be taken in such habitat with similar lighting in the abscence of live specimens. It all boils down to getting some readings in the dense Madagascan jungle close to the forest floor to see generally how much UVB wild Uroplatus recieve. These results can be directly used to set up correct lighting in ou naturalistic breeding terrariums.

    If you can help out in any way it would be benefitting the Uroplatus community world wide. Any interest or input in this simple project is not expected of you, but would surely be absolutely fabulous.

    Best Wishes in all your endevors!
    Scott




    This is Mr. Love's response via email (posted with his permission):


    Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 16:18:40 -0500
    Hi Scott, March 3, 2008

    I’d be happy to help with that, although it may be next January before I’m there again. I’d personally find it interesting, as I’ve long suspected that UV is important even to nocturnal herps. To be able to take part in proving it would be great.

    I don’t know what else I can do at the moment except to say to please contact me next October – November-ish when I’ll know if I’ve filled a tour and will be ‘going Mad’ again.

    Sincerely, Bill

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    Bill Love


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    So there it is..........short and sweet.
    As stated above, if you would like to be part of this little project and pledge to contribute to the fund, add your name here. I will contact Bill again in the fall to confirm he is traveling to Madagascar in January. If I get the thumbs up from him, I will then get in contact with the pledged participants in order to request the funds. Before I do so I will have Bill directly post on the this thread so that everyone knows that this is not a scam. After the funds have been collected I will purchase the meter and send it directly to Bill. Who knows.......maybe the results could appear in a future Reptiles Magazine.

    I am doing research now on what meter to purchase. I think I may go with the same unit that is used on the UK UVB Lighting Guide's website. This is for a couple reasons. One is that the company of this meter is known for making a high quality accurate product. Since we will use the identical meter are findings can contribute to their website and ongoing research. Secondly this meter is also available in Europe. After the experiment, anybody can purchase the counter part of this meter (different model) and use it to develope correct lighting in their terrariums based on the numbers of the UVB meter readings. It is important to use the same brand of meter for comparisons as each companies products are calibrated a little differently (hence the nesscisity of one that is universal). Also I have discovered that Zoo Med brand manufactures a UV meter. Maybe we can get Zoo Med to donate a UVB meter or two, to the cause as they pride themselves as a leader in the involvement of cutting edge research within the industry.
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    I am not sure, if that UV Meter ist the best choice for that purpose. After all, wavelengths of light are absorbed and scattered quite differentially by vegetation, clouds etc and the only part of the UVB spectrrum effective in 7-Dehydrocholestrol conversion is the small band between 295 and 305 nm. The slope of the peak ist very high and already at 285 or 315 nm you loose like 80% of efficacy.
    Afaik the Zoo med UVB Meter has a relatively broad measurement spectrum which gives not much information about the relative contribution of the relevant wavelength peak. I thus think, one should invest in a more sophisticated device which in the best case may be able to exclude intensities outside the real relevant range.

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    Ingo,

    I am not nearly educated enough on the subject as of yet. These are the preliminaries........that is why I am starting now. It takes a lot to get a project together...........even a small one.

    Ingo what is your suggestion in choice of a meter?

    Anybody else who really knows their stuff in this area of subject matter (UV and getting accurate readings, products, etc) .......PLEASE contribute as I would really like this to be a collective effort.
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    I am in the process of contacting people about more accurate meters to use. They will be pricier, but if we are gonna do it, let's do it right.
    Some of the really high tech ones can run around a thousand. I am in the middle of contacting experts in this field now to see what is the best affordable instrument for this specific apllication..... which has to be able to read low light intensities in deep jungle.

    I want to publicly arrange something, after the project is comeplete, where Bill can donate the meter to an organiztion in order to further other reptile related UV studies. Complete in that maybe Bill would want to hang on to the meter for a while to use it over a couple trips to Madagascar......depending on how this progresses.
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    Hello Scot,

    I am glad that Bill is willing to help. I will also contact some people in EU who are going to Madagascar these year and I am shure they can help to collect some UV data on Uroplatus.

    Gasper

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    Scott, Sarah and I can throw down $20, just let me know when you need it.

    When you get an idea of what meter you are planning on purchasing, I can contact a couple of people I know as well.... The reason I will wait on contacting them, is because they may have conflicting interests in purchasing say a 'zoo med' meter, rather than one that is not manufactured by an actual reptile company etc. ( a company other than their own basically)
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    Thank you Gilpins for your support.
    Last edited by Scott F; 03-04-2008 at 09:20 PM.

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    Scott,

    You can count me in. Just let me know when to send the funds.

    Great idea.

    Jed
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    Thank you JED for your pledge.

    I recieved some great feed back from Frances Baines of the UV Guide UK, a whole page and a half worth. I think we may recieve a lot of help from this collective group. Possibly data sharing on there website, the formulation of data, and tech support for Bill (teach him how to use the meters accurately before he goes to Madagascar) is what I am pulling for. With their permission I will post the email of the response I obtained here tomorrow, for everybody to read.

    Frances has provided us info on the equipment to use. The meters and water proof case will come to under $500.00. This is affordable for us!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let's get these pledges rolling people. A number of experts and well known people with connections are willing to help us. Lets not let this slip away.
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    Scott,
    I'd definately be willing to contribute 20 dollars, or whatever I can to this project also. It's a great idea and I think all of us Uroplatus keepers have this issue on our minds at some point.

    Doug

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