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Old 12-03-2009, 09:27 PM
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I take the same approach as Protean...

I never treated any of my Uroplatus though...

One of my LTC (5yrs) just crapped out 5 round worms of considerable size...

I know that panacure would probably help out, and I might treat before I put him back with the female next season, but I dont feel the urgency in relation to his health...

I think the most important thing is knowledge with this genus...

Just because you know something, doesnt mean you have to carry it out though...

Each person has a different approach to husbandry, and success is measured by that person and their goals.

Whether someones goal is to keep U.fim with Whites tree frogs or to mass produce Uro. by captive breeding webs...

I think the most experienced keepers should lay out some Helpful husbandry info, maybe throw in some expert opinions, but let the person choose their own methods without being too critical.

These forums and message boards are 100x better than any books for any animals...
Books get outdated on a day to day basis!
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Hey Derek,

Keep us posted on what you decide to do with your pietschmanni and how it goes.
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Let me start off by thanking the gentleman who started this thread. Its difficult to argue a subject that really doesnt have a right or wrong answer. In my case I have 1.1 sikorae for about three months and they are doing great without any medication. The gentleman I bought them from said he treated them but I found a pinworm in some stool about a month ago. Im not too worried about it because like I said they are doing well. In fact both of them have put on about 3 grams in the last 3 months. The thing that scares me is im planning on adding atleast one more female to the pair and dont want to introduce a new parasite to the ones I have nor to geckos the im planning on buying. So eventually I do plan on treating them. So really the answer depends on each individual case. Like some others mentioned Im also planning on buying a microscope and will try to identify and parasites they may have. Thanks for all thee opinions on the subject. Does anyone know how long a tank should be quarantined before introducing a new animal to preexisting potted eclosure? The only living organism that I know of besides the plants are springtails. I know they eat stool but can they carry parasites themselves? Thanks
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Old 12-05-2009, 02:36 AM
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Well I just saw this thread...pretty good. Personally I have treated my wc's at least with panacur after they are settled in. Just to throw my two cents in on non-standard uroplatus husbandry though... constant high humidity for me is an exaggerated requirement. I have kept and raised successive generations of phantasticus on paper towel substrate with plants in clay pots, spraying them once a day. They certainly don't have 75-90% all day.

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Old 12-05-2009, 03:50 AM
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Yeah, also, even acclimated WCs are a whole lot more suceptable to dehydration compared to CBs...

My WC Henkels will shed within a day or so if I dont spray them while it is a little drier...

My CB male usually never sheds as a result of the humidity going down for a short period of time...
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My apologies to those annoyed by thread resurrection. Obviously, I am not one of them... Some threads need to be brought back every now and again.

The topic of medicating for parasites interests me in general, but especially now because I've had just enough experience to raise all manner of questions...

This is likely to be a long post, but you never know what seemingly random info might be helpful. Here's the little info I can provide, and I'd love to hear thoughts. I'm a little over a year into keeping uros, and have had 13 total Uros in my collection, starting last October. I have fimbriatus, henkeli, sikorae and sameiti, but the sameiti is very recent so I have no real experience with them specifically. I have lost three animals-

one female fimbriatus- Uro death- curly tail, ground dwelling, lethargic I now think she died from a calcium crash or old age.

a male sikorae, who died from complications related to prolapsed hemipenes. Uroplatus sikorae: Everted Hemipenes?

Then recently a male LTC Fimbriatus imported in 2008. I'll share about him below.

In the summer, I got a pair of imported henkeli and a female fimbriatus. They came to me LATE on a hot day and I didn't think any of them would make it, but they're all still alive. I kept them in minimal enclosures and hydrated the crap out of them for several weeks before having any fecals ran. When I did have them done, the male henk came back positive for coccidia and pinworms. He WAS NOT doing well- regurged even thought I gave sparse, small food items, tail like a pin. Here's a pic of him during the treatment-
HM100 :: Sick with Coccidia picture by pakinjak - Photobucket

He turned right around after treatment with panacur and albon, and is the only animal I own that has tested positive for parasites so far. After quarantine, I introduced them to the herp room, still keeping them separately in case something popped up.

The female henkeli laid a clutch of fertile eggs while in quarantine, and more after. I have a total of four eggs incubating from her now. How she could retain sperm for 6 weeks and then start to lay is beyond me, but that's a topic for another discussion.

About 2 weeks after bringing the imports into the herp room, I put the new female fimb with a LTC male. He tail curled, then died a week later. I never got a fecal or did a necrospy, though now I wish I had. The female is acting fine, and I got one stuck egg about 3 weeks ago. My theory is that he came down with something from the female that she is handling well... but it's just a theory. He was doing well until I put him in with her.

About a week ago, I noticed a CB sikorae hanging head up in the daytime (I'm learning this may be a sign of them not feeling well) and then on the ground some, in addition to looking generally out of sorts. I noticed her not hunting for a week or so, too. I've got her separated now, am misting the heck out of her and giving her warm water soaks every night. She's never laid eggs, so I wonder if she's having egg related difficulties, and then there's the old coccidia possibility.. since everything I've read says it's pretty much impossible to get rid of. Then there's the possibility of impaction, since I force fed her a little dubia three nights ago to get a fecal to test. She hasn't passed it yet, and I'm considering trying a drop or two of mineral oil to maybe loosen her up, but I haven't done it yet since I don't really know how safe that is. If she's eggbound or impacted, she's likely a goner... it's weird to be hoping an animal has coccidia, huh?

This morning, I noticed a regurged cricket in her mates enclosure.

I have a pair of juvie henks and a juvie sameiti in quarantine, then the imported henk pair (doing fine together now) and a CB fimb female (doing fine). I'm going to get a fecal from SOMEBODY, and get it tested and I'll let you know what happens.

My room goes from about 69 to 76F, and a little warmer in the tubs because I use cfl's for lights and they raise the temps a few. Minimum humidity overall is about 55%, but the tubs are wetter and I use a humidifier to raise the whole room to 65-70 periodically.
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Just a few suggestions based on much experience:

Coccidia generally only kills animals that are stressed by something else, such as an environmental, nutritional problem of other parasites. I generally deworm imports regardless of fecal results as it is easy to miss things in fecals. If an animal with coccidia is not eating or regurgitaing, then I highly recommend treatment with Albon (3 days on, 3 days off, 3 more on, 3 more off and a final 3 days of Albon has worked for me). Uroplatus may have low levels of coccidia and be perfectly healthy, it gets out of control when the animal is stressed.

Female Uroplatus of the fimbriatus and lineatus groups often rest right side up mid way through their egg cycle. Giving extra calcium orally during this period. Feeding snails can prevent problems associated with egg formation, laying and MBD.

U. sikorae seem to do well at about 74-76 F during the day and cooler at night, big night drops to the 50s and 60s for part of winter is good.

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thanks for the feature Neil, didn't know Albon
what can you say about posology and toxicity in case of overdose?

I use Profender spot on now (not for coccidia though, it kills the various worms), I found it very adapted for uroplatus (and all other small stressable reptiles) because it spot on application do not stress the animal, only one time treatment is enough, and there's no toxicity risks
I just warn that the liquid can burn a bit the animal if not applicated well (I use a little soft brush)

sorry for bad english, a bit tired today
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I'm not sure what drug is in Profender, so I can't comment on that. Fendendazole is generally safe and available. I'm more careful with Albon (Sulfadimethoxine) and try to get the dosage as close as possible. Check with a vet if you can regarding meds and current dosages. I treat for worms first, wait a week or more, and then treat for coccidia if necessary. If the animals appear healthy and levels of coccidia are not really high, you have to decide if you should treat it at all.
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