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Old 11-16-2009, 11:42 AM
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ok i tried it in the idntify this gecko section and im pretty sure it belongs in here,but what?if any uroplatus is it?
http://www.geckosunlimited.com/commu...tml#post254430
i would also like to know if anyone is aware of any other genus that seems to share charecteristics with uros,
for instance apart from the ozzy leaf tails are there any other flat tailed gex,
are there any closely related african genus' to uroplatus?

all a bit random i know but this pic just got me thinking
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Old 11-19-2009, 06:19 PM
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the first pic is Fimbriatus. Is that the gecko you're referring too?
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Old 11-20-2009, 12:28 AM
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No, he's pointing to the gecko on the right, just above the green gecko.

It is most certainly mislabeled as being Australian, unless by chance it is an extreme example of convergence in a species that has yet to be described.

As has been mentioned in the other thread, the eye seems to signify either U. fimbriatus or U. giganteus. It is a very poor photo for identification's sake. The angle is bad along with the inclusion clear identifying characteristics. Also, as I have been mentioning for a while now, work by Bauer et al. suggests that molecular evidence is pointing in the direction that Uroplatus is a more speciose genus than we recognize at present, and perhaps the individuals we recognize as certain species are not actually so, and are possibly new species. That said, no one can say with certainty what species of gecko that is. If that tail is indeed the original, and it actually is the way it appears in the picture, then that is a tail more like that of U. lineatus or U. guentheri. It looks as though the tail lacks fringes, and the dermal fringes of the body look reduced to some extent. I will admit, the tail does not look regrown, there is no discernable change in color at the break point and there is seemingly some amount of pattern, which regrown tails of leaftail geckos tend to lack. This is not to say regrown tails are a solid color, but they generally lack contrasting pattern to the base "pattern" which tends to have a uniform, granular appearance.

In the end, I won't say anything for sure other than the fact it's an interesting individual. I'll point out this article, as I usually do, suggesting that there are still individuals within different clades of [at least] the "fimbriatus" group that seem to warrant status as different species from the "fimbriatus" we tend to label them as, as hobbyists.

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thanks mike,
very interesting,it realy threw mw when first seeing the article,as you say its just the tail that throws me,
just skim reading through that article and it mentions outgroup of uroplatus in africa?
i thought i had read this somewhere else,but it was such a long time ago i couldnt be sure,
does anyone know anymore about these african uroplatus?
i was under the impression they were completely endemic to madagasgar but if they are on the african mainland could this be the the original uroplatus that the rest evolved from or some how have they been introduced back to africa from madagasgar,
thanks for your informative reply mike,
like most things i read about uros,i think im more confused than when i started out,
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Old 11-20-2009, 09:22 AM
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It is just dehidrated fimbriatus, nothing special. The exporters have many such animals in their enclousers. And those animals newer make it on the market. Sad story but reality.
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Just came across this photo in the Uroplatus pool on Flickr...looks to be the same individual, makes it less questionable.

20080726 2 MadagascarExoticReservePeyrieras 143_4377.jpg on Flickr - Photo Sharing!
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Interesting read Mike. Thanks for the link!
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