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    Quote Originally Posted by Geopard Lecko View Post
    Ive been tryin to follow her schedule for the adults and baby/juvi's but then i started doing the zoo med calcium with d3 once a week taking place of one of the repashy dustings. I use the word week loosely because 7 days is weird so i roll it over or whatever..
    I find it easier doing things "weekly".

    For R.C (and maybe the latest hatchling for the lower lip issue) that would mean:
    • Every Monday ~ Zoo Med Repti Calcium with D3
    • + Follow Aliza's "every other feeding" for Repashy's Calcium Plus
    • + free access to plain calcium

    I just don't want to overload your geckos with multivitamins. I think RCP's label suggests more often than Aliza recommends. Maybe it's not necessary for me to be anal about this.

    An alternative would be to follow Schedule 124 for these 2 leos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elizabeth Freer View Post
    I find it easier doing things "weekly".

    For R.C (and maybe the latest hatchling for the lower lip issue) that would mean:
    • Every Monday ~ Zoo Med Repti Calcium with D3
    • + Follow Aliza's "every other feeding" for Repashy's Calcium Plus
    • + free access to plain calcium

    I just don't want to overload your geckos with multivitamins. I think RCP's label suggests more often than Aliza recommends. Maybe it's not necessary for me to be anal about this.

    An alternative would be to follow Schedule 124 for these 2 leos.
    Ok so i have been pretry much doing what u been saying then.. Sorry if i get confused or confuse you soemtimes..
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    hatchling feeding schedule: when I was breeding, initially I did feed the babies every day. By the last few years, I was feeding everyone 3 times a week but I left enough mealworms in with the babies that they had something to eat every day, so it was easier to do the supplementation every other feeding.

    eye issues: remind me what you're using for an incubator. I did have somewhat more deformities (primarily eye problems and leg problems) until I got a really precise incubator. I have no idea if that could be having any effect or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acpart View Post
    hatchling feeding schedule: when I was breeding, initially I did feed the babies every day. By the last few years, I was feeding everyone 3 times a week but I left enough mealworms in with the babies that they had something to eat every day, so it was easier to do the supplementation every other feeding.

    eye issues: remind me what you're using for an incubator. I did have somewhat more deformities (primarily eye problems and leg problems) until I got a really precise incubator. I have no idea if that could be having any effect or not.

    Aliza
    I'm using a digital hovabator, with a zoomed digital temp gauge as a back up reference, temps stay pretty steady i've not had to adjust it once..
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    I had a chance to speak with john @ geckoboa about his exp. with eye deformities and he thinks it may have to do with a vitamin a deficiency in the mother and recommended switching to the osteo form / vionate.

    infact this is a quote from his caresheet.

    Supplementation - There is a reason I have moved this to the top of the list if there is one category to read this is the most important. It's not that other care requirements are not essential, but supplementation is by far the easiest to overlook for beginners. In a captive environment, geckos need to have adequate calcium and vitamins every week or they can develop serious issues most commonly, but not limited to, metabolic bone disease (MBD). I highly recommend using a 1:1 ratio mixture of Vionate to Osteo Form (same as Osteo Form SA). Both of these supplements are readily available from many online retailers. Provide the vitamin/calcium mix in a small shallow dish (jar lid, petri dish, etc), and make sure it is easily found in the enclosure. With this method, dusting the feeders directly is not necessary and by doing so will only kill the insects faster by clogging their pores. You can sprinkle a little bit of the straight Vionate (and/or Repashy Cal plus) over the feeders in a dish on occasion, and a little more often for breeding females and fast-growing juveniles Other calcium and vitamin supplements may work fine, but the Osteo Form/Vionate mix has been proven many times over and is used by most breeders. If you choose to use something else, it is important to provide calcium with vitamin D3 (usually on the front label) and sufficient Vitamin A (especially for breeding females). I have raised many thousands of geckos on this mix, and every time I have tried switching supplements, I have had issues with hatching and growing out babies so I highly recommend to just stick with the Osteo Form/Vionate mix.
    i think i am going to try his advice, i mean the guy is well known to be a good breeder and a good guy i havent found anything bad about him plus he isnt the first breeder i've seen use that stuff..
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    I wonder whether vitamin A palmitate that's found in Vionate has different effects than vitamin A acetate (retinol) when it comes to breeding.

    I guess I was unable to locate a guaranteed analysis for Osteo-form or I would have included them in this link.

    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 07-02-2019 at 02:27 AM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

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    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elizabeth Freer View Post
    I wonder whether vitamin A palmitate that's found in Vionate has different effects than vitamin A acetate (retinol) when it comes to breeding.

    I guess I was unable to locate a guaranteed analysis for Osteo-form or I would have included them in this link.

    yeah i have no clue about thats stuff to be honest, but i figure its worth a shot as long as everyones healthy and happy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geopard Lecko View Post
    yeah i have no clue about thats stuff to be honest, but i figure its worth a shot as long as everyones healthy and happy.
    I updated link 109 with the ingredients for Osteo-form SA. Click on the link if you're curious. I will proof it tomorrow.
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    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)
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    Was cleaning cindys enclosure this evening and found 2 good eggs, they look freshly laid, couldnt be more then a few days old but i'd bet on them having been laid today/this morning.


    @acpart i was considering incubating these 2 for female, currently the incubators been riding at 91f and i have 2 eggs due to hatch on 7/13/19, would it be a bad idea to lower the incubator temp for the last week or so of incubation for those 2 eggs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geopard Lecko View Post
    Was cleaning cindys enclosure this evening and found 2 good eggs, they look freshly laid, couldnt be more then a few days old but i'd bet on them having been laid today/this morning.


    @acpart i was considering incubating these 2 for female, currently the incubators been riding at 91f and i have 2 eggs due to hatch on 7/13/19, would it be a bad idea to lower the incubator temp for the last week or so of incubation for those 2 eggs?
    Good job, Cindy! , Geopard Lecko!
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

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    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)
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