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    My 10 year old female, Benjamin, is apparently gravid with infertile eggs, but instead of laying them, she just continues to get skinnier. She has never laid eggs before, and I'm not sure whether or not this is normal. She hasn't eaten in at least three and a half weeks. I took her to her regular exotic veterinarian a few weeks ago, and he said to just give it time. Then she went off food and started pooping a lot of runny uric acid. I have had the stool examined three times so far, but nothing out of the ordinary showed up.

    Is this normal for gravid leopard geckos?

    I have attached pictures for reference. She is very skinny everywhere except for her belly. I can even see her backbone protruding a little bit. She has a nesting box with vermiculite in it (she hates moss).

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    Thanks for any advice!

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    How long has her condition been going on? She may be egg-bound and need to see a vet.

    Is she able to climb into the vermiculite hide? What are the temps right there? What are the warm end temps?

    Is that hide sitting directly on top of the heat mat just like the warm dry hide?
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    She is able to climb into the vermiculite hide. The temperatures are 78 on the cool end, 83 in the lay box, and around 100 over the heat mat on the warm side. The heat mat does not go under the lay box. She has been ROUND for many weeks now. The veterinarian didn’t seem to think That she was egg-bound at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crocodidlian View Post
    She is able to climb into the vermiculite hide. The temperatures are 78 on the cool end, 83 in the lay box, and around 100 over the heat mat on the warm side. The heat mat does not go under the lay box. She has been ROUND for many weeks now. The veterinarian didn’t seem to think That she was egg-bound at the time.
    Thank you.

    I don't believe your leo's condition is normal for gravid geckos. Her tail is getting exceptionally thin.

    • Can you see eggs in her belly?
    • Do you have a thermostat?
    • Is your heat mat big enough so that both the warm dry hide and the moist hide can sit on top of it?

    Her warm hide is much too warm. Can you adjust temps to match this chart?

    Temperatures - A temperature gradient from warm to cool maintains your leo's health. Here's a temperature guide for all leopard geckos as measured with the probe of a digital thermometer or a temp gun (and controlled by a thermostat set at 91*F/32.8*C).

    Place the thermostat's probe and a digital thermometer's probe together right on top of the substrate underneath the warm dry hide. If you use a UTH + a CHE you'll need 2 separate thermostats, because ground and air temperatures are substantially different.

    • Warm dry hide ground temperature: 88-92 F (31.1-33.3 C) inside a leo's warm dry hide.
    • Warm humid/moist hide: Also place the humid hide 100% on top of the heat mat. Keep temperatures similar to the warm dry hide.
    • Cool dry hide ground temperature: 70ish-75 F (21.1-23.9 C) Usually the cool end ground temperature matches the room temperature where the enclosure sits.
    • no greater than 82ish F (27.8ish C) air temperature - 4 inches (10 cm) above ground on the warm end
    • no greater than 75 F (23.9 C) air temperature - 4 inches (10 cm) above ground on the cool end

    Leave the heat mat/UTH on 24/7. If you wish, during the night turn off overhead lighting/heating (~12 hours on and ~12 hours off) unless ambient room temperatures drop lower than 67ish*F (19.4*C).
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    I have adjusted the heat lamp to try to get to that recommended temperature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crocodidlian View Post
    I have adjusted the heat lamp to try to get to that recommended temperature.
    Please turn off the heat lamp. What temps do you get then?
    1. Can you see eggs in her belly?
    2. How often do you use powdered supplements?
    3. Which exact brand and name? I see Rep Cal's calcium with D3 in the background.
    4. IF this continues, you could lose her.

    Please ask your vet about an oxytoxin injection. Sometimes that helps females lay eggs when they're egg-bound.

    Most heat should come from belly heat. Overhead heat usually just tweaks the heat. Both the heat mat and overhead heat require separate thermostats.

    For a 20 long I recommend an Ultratherm 11 x 17 inch heat mat with a thermostat. Reptile Basics sells 11 x 17s for $22. When the heat is all askew, health conditions follow. A proper heat source + a thermostat are considerably cheaper than vet visits.
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    EGG-BOUND LEOPARD GECKOS

    All female geckos can develop infertile eggs without mating.
    1. If you see eggs, add a nest box filled with damp Eco Earth's coco fiber to the warm end of the enclosure to prompt her to lay those eggs.
    2. A 1x daily warm 86*F (30*C) soak for about 15 minutes may help. Gently massage her belly towards the vent during that soak.
    3. An oxytoxin injection may help too. If she is unable to lay her eggs, surgery is required.
    4. If a female gecko becomes egg-bound, eventually the eggs begin to rot inside. This infection leads to septicemia (blood poisoning), then death.


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    Well, her doctor wants an X-ray, so she is going to the clinic tomorrow. Hopefully he can help her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crocodidlian View Post
    Well, her doctor wants an X-ray, so she is going to the clinic tomorrow. Hopefully he can help her.
    Thanks.

    I'm keeping my fingers crossed & hoping for the best.
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    Update on Benjamin:
    Her multiple X-rays came back normal. Not even any visible eggs. The doctor thinks that she is either still forming the eggs or has swallowed a foreign body that hasn’t shown on the images. He fed her barium (yuck), and we are taking her back to get more images this weekend. The only thing that she could possibly have swallowed would be a bit of paper towel. I have a crumpled piece in her moist hide while she molts. Hopefully this is not the case, since the doctor says that it would require surgery. If it comes to that, however, I am getting her spayed while he’s at it. She’s my only gecko, and I do not intend to breed her. Her doctor also prescribed her an antibiotic just in case she has an infection, which might account for her abnormally thin tail.
    Anyway, we’re hoping that she’s just taking her time with her eggs. In the meantime, I have dispensed with the overhead heat lamp and have her just on her under tank heating pad.

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