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    Thanks for the advice and replies.
    Here is a pic of her as you can see she is healthy.You can see the dust in viv that is from trying to get her to take dusted mealworms this morning.I only give them a light dusting.


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    Your daughter's leo looks like a gecko in perfect shape!

    Eating 3 times a week for an adult or near adult leo is completely normal; nothing to worry about! Some owners feed them even less frequently than this. The constant presence of prey tends to trigger off their reflexes to hunt for food. Plus, they store fat in their tails so that they really don't need to eat every day!

    You seem to know your stuff with crickets gutloading, I'd just use more fresh (organic or pesticide-free) greens such as most salads but iceberg lettuce, a few green cabbage leaves, dandelion leaves and flowers, parsley, spinach leaves, turnip leaves, beetrout leaves, organic hay sold for rodents...

    Mealworms are not such a great choice for geckos, they can be used as very occasional treats or when you really run short of crickets but are far too fat, hard to digest because of the chitinous "shell", contain way too much phosphorous and a really too small amount of calcium. On top of that, gutloading them is nearly impossible as they have a really short intestine, so the benefits of what they eat disappears really quickly!

    If you want an alternative to mealworms without all these drawbacks and which have proven to be excellent choices, you can use dubia roaches (see the nutrition subforum here about them, how to keep/breed these roaches, ect) or silkworms, though the latter require specific ready-made food which is a bit pricey.

    All the best and congrats on having kept your leo with such wisdom and skills!
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    Hi.

    Just thought this old thread may be helpful in regards to your main concern. Alternative Method for Giving Vitamins / Calcium w D3 It is not likely due to taste, since he has accepted it in the past. You are also using a nutrient dense feed. Not sure where your previous post went?

    Good luck with him. He's an attractive little guy
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    "Your daughter's leo looks like a gecko in perfect shape!" Thank you nice to know.

    Yes I realise the drawback of mealworms and remember reading about their short gut.She has been eating mealworms because we could not get any decent sized crickets in the local suppliers.We had to buy very small ones and I have had to bring them on to a decent size.Its a shame leos cannot eat worms as I breed tigerworms and have thousands of them.

    I know they can eat waxworms but only as a rare treat because they can become addicted.The superload I use contains high amounts of calcium so she is getting calcium even without dusting so that's a relief.
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    I suppose you can't breed dubia roaches? By following some simple rules, nothing wrong will happen with them, your house is not at risk of being invaded otherwise it's a great alternative, as these roaches breed so easily with some extra heat, a bit of moisture and enough food, that you'll not only save the crickets money, but you will also have proper sized prey insects all year long!
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    P.S.: and if breeding roaches for only one gecko may seem not to make sense, the roaches you don't use sell very well on the Internet!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackadderthe2nd View Post
    My daughter has had her gecko for several months the leo sheds and poops fine.The problem is she will not eat dusted food she has dust in her large viv and licks it when she wants.
    I gut load the crickets and meal worms but have stopped dusting food since she just ignores it will stopping dusting do her any harm?
    *Imagine that?*

    *If you are correctly supplementing in a dish your Gecko will be fine its been done for decades. if you continue to do this correctly you will never have to dust again and no harm done. Some Leos can get the perfect mount of that self promoting weasel Repashy's cal + and end up with MBD. Its always possible. We can only lessen the chances. I am fortunate to never have had health issues with my Leos. I will freak every now and then but I tell myself. "Dont handle them unless absolutely necesary, provide an environment that will have them thrive, dont rush to the DVM because your animal didnt poop in two weeks or ate in 3 unless phsyical symptoms are glareing and let the herp do its thing"

    *You could gut load your prey in such a way they do not need supplements. Some people do that. I am in the middle of the stone age and present I could see it done if your that dedicated to a very natural approach. The problem is. I have poured over paper work and the way Leos get vitamins/minerals in the wild are widely disputed. I have read several papers where the Herpetologist simply says " I cannot tell definitively how they obtain them" while there are other with compelling ideas.

    *I simply use 4 parts Vionate to 1 part Osteoform SA and replace the dish every 4-6 months.*

    *If you choose to dust @thorrshamri brings up what I read all the time. The supplement needs to be palatable. Their is an old but great supplement called Indoor Minor All. I think it came in a blue berry flavor and I was thrown off. The next day I realized my Leo was wearing lipstick.

    Best Wishes!
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