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    Hey Gecko Lovers!! I have a question. Why do some people say mealworms are bad for Leopard Geckos but breeders use mealworms as a staple diet and have no problem (Atleast that's what I think)

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    higher fat content, low calcium to phosphorus ratio, thicker exoskeleton (chitin) which is harder to digest if at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tokaybyt View Post
    higher fat content, low calcium to phosphorus ratio, thicker exoskeleton (chitin) which is harder to digest if at all.
    If its harder to digest why do breeders use it as a staple diet

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    convenience (laziness), adult male crickets chirp (this annoys some people), cost (very easy to establish and maintain a mealworm colony versus ordering crickets weekly), cricket bins need much more regular cleaning, cricket bins take up more space, cricket virus (when the US got hit with Europe's cricket virus, mealworms were the plan B, however mealworm breeders had similar disease happen back in the late 90s of early 00s).

    I find that mealworms produce obese looking leos. There have been actual studies that express concern about this, but at the same time leos raised on mealworms appear to grow faster and larger than on a mix of crickets and mealworms or just crickets. I'm in the group that mixes, but I'm most along the lines of 90% crickets and 10% superworms, as my wife hasn't completely ok'd the use of roaches.
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    Leann & Greg Christenson regarding Phelsuma, "By giving them the best possible captive care, they have rewarded us with their great personalities and stunning appearance." Day Geckos in Captivity

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    Chris ~

    There is a support group out there for desensitizing significant others! Blaptica dubia are pretty doable, since they don't climb glass.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elizabeth Freer View Post
    Chris ~

    There is a support group out there for desensitizing significant others! Blaptica dubia are pretty doable, since they don't climb glass.
    Per her words, as long as they aren't crawling around the house and as long as she doesn't have to touch them, she's ok with the dubia. She's trying to set the ultimatum tone with if I break those 2 conditions then I have to get her a huge diamond ring or diamond earrings. I replied with

    I've been experimenting with dubia the last 2 weeks to see who will and won't eat them. Interestingly, 3 of my 4 tokays won't touch them. In their defense, 2 of those 3 are new to my collection and are still skittish - the 3rd is just an ungrateful turd like her father, though dad is a bottomless pit. Out of my geckos, my picta, C. brevis, C. v. bogerti, and P. garrulus maculatus go nuts for the tiny dubia. The leos like them, but aren't as crazed as the others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tokaybyt View Post
    convenience (laziness), adult male crickets chirp (this annoys some people), cost (very easy to establish and maintain a mealworm colony versus ordering crickets weekly), cricket bins need much more regular cleaning, cricket bins take up more space, cricket virus (when the US got hit with Europe's cricket virus, mealworms were the plan B, however mealworm breeders had similar disease happen back in the late 90s of early 00s).

    I find that mealworms produce obese looking leos. There have been actual studies that express concern about this, but at the same time leos raised on mealworms appear to grow faster and larger than on a mix of crickets and mealworms or just crickets. I'm in the group that mixes, but I'm most along the lines of 90% crickets and 10% superworms, as my wife hasn't completely ok'd the use of roaches.
    I love these posts ( they remind me of someone I know very well) LMAO!

    Were not lazy. I have Giant Mealworms, SuperWorms, Roaches, etc.....It depends to be honest with you. My Leos would not eat anything BUT Giant Mealworms, then they stopped that and HAD to have Roaches, Now they are back on Giant Mealworms and will be switching to SuperWorms.

    If you read the Oxford Dictionary and see the Adj. Lazy and its definition...You will see a Roach Colony Image to the side.

    Crickets are for keepers with no other options or are willing to waste the money and take the health chances. You can save money buying dozen (s) of crickets daily on your trip to the Pet Shop.

    Define obese in a Leo? Is it a measurement and weight? Is it the feeder or what is in the feeders gut?

    I was finishing my studies at Western New Mexico University. There was a Bio Professor who had a Leo. It fed it mealworms its whole 13 yrs (at that point). I have slender well built Leos who's primary diet consists of SuperWorms and overall diet throughout their lives consisted of some type of Mealworm. Their livers are fine, They run and jump...etc...blood tests normal....

    Studies have shown us alot.........Amazing things...one study said......................

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    I use meal worms but one key thing to remember if you have to gut load them and dust them. If you do that they are just as nutritional as other feeders. I don't do crickets anymore because the smell and cost. I have bought them and when half die in the first few days it's wasted money. Meal worms and Dubia are both a much better choice.


    I will have to disagree with the idea that lazy people use meal worms, Dubias are easier to maintain so if it was laziness I would do only those. But I keep a lot of fish also and they like worms also. And I have some geckos that won't eat crickets or dubia so I feed meal worms or they go hungry but they are pets so can't stand that.
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    Organic Value Recovery Solutions Studies - Nutrient Content of Insects

    Grubco :: Nutritional Information :: Mealworms for blurbirds, crickets for reptiles, mealworms for sale

    I define obese in that perceptively, 9 times out of 10, leos fed exclusively mealies tend to look like the obese lab seen on weight posters at vet clinics. Or when a leo looks like a scaled version of the overly loved, I've been fed table scraps, dachshund.





    Lazy in this instance is a descriptor of both the owner and the gecko. Owner places X amount of meal worms in a bowl, puts bowl in cage, and leaves. All the gecko has to do is waddle over and gorge itself like Bubba at the local all you can eat buffet. If I wanted to watch my leos lose (exaggeration) their hunting abilities, spend little effort in obtaining food (i.e., hunting AND enrichment - both of which take cognitive skills, something I hope you learned at Western, as I know I did in Animal Behavior while at NMSU), and sit around like a dog or cat waiting for that next bowl of food, then sure I'll feed mealies. But I dont keep herps to just toss some food into a bowl and walk away, that's what my 2 annoying cats are for.
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    Gauthier & Lesbarrères. 2010. Growth Rate Variation in Captive Species: The Case of Leopard Geckos, Eublepharus macularius. Herpetological Conservation and Bioloigy 5(3): 449-455.
    Chris Cirrincione
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    Leann & Greg Christenson regarding Phelsuma, "By giving them the best possible captive care, they have rewarded us with their great personalities and stunning appearance." Day Geckos in Captivity

    A concept, an idea, a philosophy that I'd like to think I and others live by for the captive animals we care so passionately about.
    Thanks Elizabeth Freer thanked for this post

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