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    Hey guys, I've got some great news! Lavi ate 7 mealworms for me today! I suppose his temps were just too low. I remember them being a little high at Petsmart (closer to 93 F, if the thermometer in the tank was to be believed), so maybe he was used to that and didn't like the temps being at 90 F? I really don't mind, because he's starting to eat more! YAY! //happy dance//

    Now, I started gutloading my mealworms before I feed them, and wanted to make sure my process is kosher:
    24 hours before I feed the mealworms, I count out how many I plan on giving (around 23 or so plus a few extra in case any die; 15 for Lore and 8 for Lavi at this point) and put them in a separate container at room temp. Then I put 4 moistened Zoo Med Natural Adult Bearded Dragon Food pellets in with them. Then I dust them and feed them to my geckos the next day (being sure to remove any dead ones that may have cropped up). Does this sound good?

    I've been doing it this way for two days now, and have noticed while Lore snaps hers up, she seems to be eating fewer than normal (closer to 9 or so), but is weighing in at 32 grams. Her colors have also brightened up considerably! I'm guessing this is because there's more to the mealworms now than just... well, mealworm shmutz (y'know, chitin plus mealworm guts).

    Please let me know what you guys think!
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    If you gut load and they're eating the moistened pellets, dusting isn't necessary but once a week with the calcium and multivitamin on alternate feedings, unless the vitamin has D3 then once a week with calcium, then vitamin the next unless you have the calcium plus by repashy, then weekly with that.

    I don't gutload my mealworms, I usually feed gutloaded roaches or crickets and use my mealworms as the weekly dusting. But since Lavi clearly detests crickets, mealworms are your only option lol. I still giggle when I see that.

    Don't quote me on this, I'm sure someone else will clarify. Sometimes I wonder if I'm going on delusional rants from all this info crammed into my head
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    I'm not saying that what I do with mealworms is more right, or better than what you do, but this is what I do.
    I use a plastic take-out soup container and cover the bottom with the adult bearded dragon food. I put in four of the flukers orange cube cricket food to provide hydration as well. Then I put in 20 or so mealworms at a time, leave them sitting in it for a day or two and then start feeding the off. Once I've fed off all the mealworms, I change the orange cubes and add another 20 or so to repeat the process. Once a month or so, I change out the bearded dragon food in the container.
    I prefer to keep the beardie food dry, as I've found that it will grow mold pretty easily.

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    I also recommend feeding Zoo Med's Natural Adult Bearded Dragon Food dry. It could be ground in a coffee/spice grinder if you wish.
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    OH! Okay, I was afraid they wouldn't be able to eat it dry, like it would be too hard or something for them to get after. I change the pellets out every day, but I'm noticing I get dead ones that didn't look like they were dying before. I guess they drowned in the water from the moistened pellets. I'll start doing what amsdadtodd suggested (now that I know their jaws are apparently stronger than I'd thought) and dusting once a week then, if that is proper procedure.

    Lavi hasn't pooped for me yet, but I'm betting it will happen either later today or tomorrow, since he had such a big meal and needs to digest it. I double-checked around his tank to make sure the mealworms didn't escape (especially into his humid hide) or that he didn't poop in a different spot, but there's no sign of anything like that. I also checked his belly for bulges or lumps of food stuck in him (I set him on a piece of picture-frame glass and looked up from underneath), but I saw nothing like that, either. So I'll just wait it out.

    Thanks for the heads-up, guys!
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    Hey guys... how often are juvenile Leos supposed to shed? I was checking Lavi's humid hide and saw him all pale last night. I checked on him this morning, and his colors were back to normal with no stuck shed. Poor Lore is in shed as well, but this is the first time I've seen her shed. She's fine though, and it also explains her eating less than her normal 15 mealworms these past couple of days.

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    It really varies how often they shed when they're still growing. It can even be as much as every week, sometimes even less, where at other times it can be once a month. Leo's grow at different rates, so it's really difficult to predict how one individual is going to act as compared with another.
    This really applies to most reptiles. I have two boa constrictors who are litter mates. For the first six months I had them, their shed cycles were two weeks or more apart. For the last four or five sheds, they are within two days of each other, although the larger of the two is a full shed cycle ahead of his brother.
    Two of my male leo's are also clutch mates, and their shed cycles have always been random in relation to each other.

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    Ok, that's good to hear. I was afraid he was shedding again too soon. He's holding steady at 19 grams and is eating more than what he was (still not his original ten, closer now to 5-7 every day or so), so it seems whatever glitch he had is over with. Thanks for the help!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gossamer View Post
    Ok, that's good to hear. I was afraid he was shedding again too soon. He's holding steady at 19 grams and is eating more than what he was (still not his original ten, closer now to 5-7 every day or so), so it seems whatever glitch he had is over with. Thanks for the help!
    How about upping his food to all he'll eat in 15-20 minutes? Maybe he will grow faster then.
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    He's back up to eating about 10, and I put 5 extra mealworms in his bowl in case he gets hungry later/might want to eat more. He seems to be back to his perky self, so I guess that first shed I mentioned when I started this thread was just a little rough on him. I'll try upping his food some, but 10 seems to be his max...

    That, and the little bugger doesn't like being watched while he eats. He and Lore both only eat once my room is pitch black and I'm out of the room/I go to sleep. Which is odd, since they chirp at me to be held and get out of their tanks. I guess they're private eaters? And don't worry, I've never tried to forcefeed them before. I've tried to coax them to eat by waving a mealworm near their nose before, but that's the most.

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