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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasquatch View Post
    Hi! It is a Leopard Gecko, male and 2 years old.
    I bought the hamster food and mash it in the blender to powder. I put a little Zoomed calcium witih D3 and a little powdered mix vitamins (don't know if this is correct).
    I don't know if works because now is cold here and it dubias roaches are not active.


    What is your opinion on this mix of vitamins? Looks good?
    I have easy access to this mix of vitamins(Composition of the vitamin mix below) I wanted to know if you think it's good. In the description it can be used for a number of animal species including reptiles.
    (Reptivite Zoomed and Repashy are difficult to buy here.)

    Mix vitamin composition
    Vitamin A (Min) 1,000,000 IU
    Vitamin D3 (Min) 50,000 IU
    Vitamin E (Min) 1,000 IU
    Vitamin B1 (Min) 200 mg
    Vitamin B2 (Min) 200 mg
    Vitamin B6 (Min) 100 mg
    Vitamin B12 (Min) 2,000 mcg
    Vitamin C (Min) 5,000 mg
    Biotin (Min.) 18 mg
    Nicotinic Acid (Min) 600 mg
    Calcium Pantothenate (Min.) 400 mg
    Taurine (Min) 1,000 mg
    L-Carnitine (Min) 10 g
    Choline (Min) 5,000 mg
    Lysine (Min) 14.215 g
    Histidine (Min) 499.74 mg
    Arginine (Min) 1,850.5 mg
    Aspartic Acid (Min) 271.8 mg
    Threonine (Min) 269.3 mg
    Serine (Min) 489.23 mg
    Glutamic Acid (Min) 1,350.43 mg
    Proline (Min) 5,131.4 mg
    Glycine (Min) 6.011.8 mg
    Hydroxyproline (Min) 452 mg
    Alanine (Min) 4.055 mg
    Cysteine ​​(Min) 124.6 mg
    Valine (Min) 1,183.5 mg
    Methionine (Min) 9,370.6 mg
    Isoleucine (Min) 561.2 mg
    Leucine (Min.) 1.461 mg
    Tyrosine (Min) 444.3 mg
    Phenylalanine (Min) 881.1 mg
    Tryptophan (Min) 89.7 mg
    Saccharomyces cerevisiae 9 x 109 CFU
    Folic Acid (Min) 1,000 mg
    Magnesium (Min) 12.6 g
    Sulfur (Min) 200 mg
    Iodine (Min) 93 mg
    Iron (Min) 112 mg
    Cobalt (Min) 40 mg
    Copper (Min) 75 mg
    Zinc (Min) 1.700 mg
    Manganese (Min) 340 mg
    Selenium (Min) 10 mg
    Calcium (Min) 150.5 g
    (Max) 157 g
    Phosphorus (Min) 74.8 g
    (It seems that the amount is correct between calcium and phosphorus)
    Sodium (Min) 2,100 mg
    I would NOT add anything to the Hamster Food. Just feed it to Blaptica dubia after you pulverize it in your blender.

    Lightly dust dubia and other insects with your Zoo Med's Repti Calcium with D3 at 1 feeding per week and a good Mix Vitamin at 1 other feeding per week. IF your Mix Vitamin also contains vitamin D3, I'd not dust with both every week.

    For the Mix Vitamin the calcium to phosphorus ratio is fine.

    Good news: Gekkotan has returned! Hopefully he'll stop by this thread soon and lend a hand. Maybe he can post for you in Portuguese and then add a bit of a summary for me in English.
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 04-09-2017 at 05:46 PM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

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    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasquatch View Post
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    What is your opinion on this mix of vitamins? Looks good?
    I have easy access to this mix of vitamins(Composition of the vitamin mix below) I wanted to know if you think it's good. In the description it can be used for a number of animal species including reptiles.
    (Reptivite Zoomed and Repashy are difficult to buy here.)

    Mix vitamin composition
    Vitamin A (Min) 1,000,000 IU
    Vitamin D3 (Min) 50,000 IU
    Vitamin E (Min) 1,000 IU
    Vitamin B1 (Min) 200 mg
    Vitamin B2 (Min) 200 mg
    Vitamin B6 (Min) 100 mg
    Vitamin B12 (Min) 2,000 mcg
    Vitamin C (Min) 5,000 mg
    Biotin (Min.) 18 mg
    Nicotinic Acid (Min) 600 mg
    Calcium Pantothenate (Min.) 400 mg
    Taurine (Min) 1,000 mg
    L-Carnitine (Min) 10 g
    Choline (Min) 5,000 mg
    Lysine (Min) 14.215 g
    Histidine (Min) 499.74 mg
    Arginine (Min) 1,850.5 mg
    Aspartic Acid (Min) 271.8 mg
    Threonine (Min) 269.3 mg
    Serine (Min) 489.23 mg
    Glutamic Acid (Min) 1,350.43 mg
    Proline (Min) 5,131.4 mg
    Glycine (Min) 6.011.8 mg
    Hydroxyproline (Min) 452 mg
    Alanine (Min) 4.055 mg
    Cysteine ​​(Min) 124.6 mg
    Valine (Min) 1,183.5 mg
    Methionine (Min) 9,370.6 mg
    Isoleucine (Min) 561.2 mg
    Leucine (Min.) 1.461 mg
    Tyrosine (Min) 444.3 mg
    Phenylalanine (Min) 881.1 mg
    Tryptophan (Min) 89.7 mg
    Saccharomyces cerevisiae 9 x 109 CFU
    Folic Acid (Min) 1,000 mg
    Magnesium (Min) 12.6 g
    Sulfur (Min) 200 mg
    Iodine (Min) 93 mg
    Iron (Min) 112 mg
    Cobalt (Min) 40 mg
    Copper (Min) 75 mg
    Zinc (Min) 1.700 mg
    Manganese (Min) 340 mg
    Selenium (Min) 10 mg
    Calcium (Min) 150.5 g
    (Max) 157 g
    Phosphorus (Min) 74.8 g
    (It seems that the amount is correct between calcium and phosphorus)
    Sodium (Min) 2,100 mg
    Are those values IU/kg or IU/pound?

    Your mix vitamin contains significantly more vitamin A than Zoo Med's Reptivite multivitamin does. Does it say whether the vitamin A is vitamin A acetate (retinol) or beta carotene?

    It also contains more vitamin D3.

    Let's compare your mix vitamin to Zoo Med's Reptivite with D3. Can you share Zoo Med's ReptiVite ingredients line-by-line to compare? Here's the link.

    Click: Zoo Med Laboratories, Inc.
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 04-09-2017 at 05:33 PM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)
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    I make my own roach and cricket diet. Let me explain why a high protein diet is bad for tropical roaches and other similar insects and why it causes gout in reptiles.

    Most tropical roaches are preferably vegetarians and will prefer to eat vegetation and fruit over protein. They come across protein very rarely in the wild and sometimes will eat it. They eat it to build up uric acid (which the roaches do not excrete) to help the females birth easier. Therefore when reptiles eat high protein gutloaded tropical roaches they are eating large amounts of uric acid.

    As far as what I put in my chow/gutload, I specifically gear towards foods with high calcium and carotenoids in an easier to convert form. I also avoid foods that have a high amount of oxalates. Therefore I use very little grains in my feed. Most of my food is vegetation and fruits, nuts and seeds. And then I add a little bit of my repashy all-in-one calcium plus. I get 18% protein with just vegetation, (absolutely no animal products) and I still get a great production/breeding rate on my roaches and they live a long time too. I also only use fresh fruits and veggies for my water source.
    Last edited by Cymmie; 04-09-2017 at 09:48 PM.
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    Ok I was told to point out why not to use the hamster food. Here's why I wouldn't use it:

    Alfalfa, whole oats, whole wheat, whole peas, whole flaxseed, beet pulp, wheat gluten, rice hull, dried beer yeast, monocalcium phosphate, dl-methionine, l-lysine, mananoligosaccharides, frutoligosaccharides, Choline chloride, antioxidants (BHA and BHT), yucca extract, vitamin A, beta-carotene, vitamin D3, vitamin E, vitamin K, vitamin C, biotin, folic acid, niacin, pantothenic acid, vitamin B1, vitamin B2, Vitamin B6, vitamin B12, selenium, copper, iodine, manganese, zinc and food flavoring.
    Levels of Warranty
    Humidity (max.) 12.00%
    Gross Protein (min) 16.00%
    Extract Ethereal (min.) 4.00%
    Fibrous Matter (max.) 20.00%
    Mineral Matter 6.00%
    Calcium (min.) 0.50%
    Calcium (max.) 0.90%
    Phosphorus (min.) 0.30%
    Mannanoligosaccharides (min) 0.20%
    Sodium (min) 0.07%
    Magnesium (min) 0.06%
    Potassium (min) 0.30%

    The whole oats have a 1 to 5 calcium to phosphorous ratio. Completely out of balance and dangerously so.
    Whole Wheat is about the same as whole oats in the calcium and phosphorous ratio.
    Peas are 0.2:1 calciumhosphorous.
    Whole flaxseed is good
    Beet pulp will have less healthy vitamins and minertals, calciumhosphorous of course is 0.4:1 (and that's for whole beets)
    Not even talking about wheat gluten because this is a useless form of a wheat product
    Rice hull is known for being completely indegestible

    These are not whole ingredients at all. And actually give no real healthy additions on their own (one reason I do not feed commercial diets to my hamsters) the only actual health attributions come from the raw minerals and vitamins that are added. The thing is, that the added minerals and vitamins are measured for hamsters, they are not at all made for insects or reptiles. Raw vitamins and minerals are not absorbed well when they aren't paired correctly with other types of vitamins and minerals. I don't know how insects absorb vitamins and minerals to know well enough whether they would absorb these well and whether these are in the correct amount they need.

    I know once I made a completely rounded diet for my hamsters and switched all six of my hamsters to them, I had complete control of what each animals needed individually, and they lost excessive amounts of fat that they had put on by the crud in the commercial diets, and instead put on good amounts of lean muscle mass and just enough fat that they were ok. Trust me I have weighed them all religiously.

    I don't feed most commercial diets to any of my animals because of what is in them. Read it. It makes no sense half of what they put in stuff.
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    Hello Sasquatch,
    I was also trying to find some good dry food for my crickets. The best one I could find was dryfood for egg-laying chickens, by the Presence brand. I was initially reticent when feeding them to insects because of some transgenic products in it, not as it would at most lead to an insect mortality and it is not harmful to reptiles, I tried it. My findings is that for crickets, it is not very good. I think they are too dry for them and also too low protein and these lead to a very slow growing and slow producing crickets. I think thats because Gryllus sp, the only crickets avaliable for us in Brazil, may need another diet. Maybe things could go diferent if we had Acheta domestica. Anyway, I went back to catfood and use chicken food for gutloading. I use both food for the roaches too, but as mentioned before, I prefer to use carrots, cabbage and other vegetables for them.
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    Oh you have gryllus crickets? That will definitely need something different if you are worried about feeding them. Also they need a HUGE amount of space if you keep them for any prolonged periods and you don't get males separated... From what I have learned about our local gryllus species is they are hugely territorial and males need to be able to get away from each other safely if they have an argument. As far as feeding gryllus, I definitely don't recommend catfood for feeding any feeder insect as most species are very bad at excreting excess proteins. But as far as, as gryllus themselves I know they require high protein levels. Though that doesn't need to be gained from something like animal protein, which causes too quick of an absorption of protein while vegetation protein is much slower.
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    Well Cymmie, these are the only we can find here. I probably keep my own for almost 20 years. I wish things were easier here I still have to try other foods, maybe soy based, but I think the change in their diet some time prior to feeding other animals may solve this problem. With this high protein dryfood, I have not experienced any sex-biased canibalism, but they eat each other in case of food or water shortage and over population of course.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cymmie View Post
    Oh you have gryllus crickets? That will definitely need something different if you are worried about feeding them. Also they need a HUGE amount of space if you keep them for any prolonged periods and you don't get males separated... From what I have learned about our local gryllus species is they are hugely territorial and males need to be able to get away from each other safely if they have an argument. As far as feeding gryllus, I definitely don't recommend catfood for feeding any feeder insect as most species are very bad at excreting excess proteins. But as far as, as gryllus themselves I know they require high protein levels. Though that doesn't need to be gained from something like animal protein, which causes too quick of an absorption of protein while vegetation protein is much slower.

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    Yeah gryllus are a harder species to keep and feed when it comes keeping them and feeding etc.
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