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    I will be getting the Shade Dweller lighting for my gecko and I just a have few questions:

    (1) Would I still give the calcium with D3, but less often. Like twice a month instead of once a week?

    (2) After the gecko is 18+ months would I continue using plain calcium on the days that would have been "with D3" as per Elizabeth's feeding guidelines (thanks for those by the way), or is the repti-vite sufficient calcium

    (3) Other than testing the strength of the light is there any way to know if they are getting enough D3? You can do blood tests for other vitamins in mammals, but this isn't feasible in a gecko. All my other UV-using reptiles have been diurnal types :/

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    This would put my "schedule" like this:

    0 to 12 months
    Monday: mealworms, Repti-cal with D3 (first Monday of the month) Repti-cal without D3 the rest of the month
    Tuesday: Dubia (no supplements)
    Wednesday: Dubia, Repti-cal without D3
    Thursday: Mealworms (no supplements)
    Friday: Dubia, Repti-vite without D3
    Saturday: Dubia or Mealworms (no supplements)
    Sunday: Other insect (no supplements)

    12-18 months
    Monday: Mealworms, Repti-cal with D3 (first Monday of the month) Repti-cal without D3 the rest of the month
    Tuesday: no food
    Wednesday: Dubia or Mealworms Snack (no supplements)
    Thursday: no food
    Friday: Dubia or Mealworms, Repti-vite without D3
    Saturday: no food
    Sunday: Other insect Snack (no supplements)

    18+ months
    Monday: Mealworms, Repti-cal with D3 (first Monday of the month) Repti-cal without D3 the rest of the month
    Tuesday: no food
    Wednesday: no food
    Thursday: Mealworms or Dubia, Repti-vite without D3
    Friday: no food
    Saturday: Other insect Snack (no supplements)
    Sunday: no food

    For "other insect" I am going to be keeping a variety of other "treat" bugs around for variety. I was thinking mostly hookworm, silkworm, calci worm, phoenix worms, and if I have to, crickets. I can get these other bugs every 3 months or so at the local reptile expo. I have a friend of a friend that raises dubia for her collection and I am raising my own mealworms. I intend on getting the pro gutload powder for 24 hour pre-feeding the worms and the adult bearded dragon food to crush for the roaches.
    "Snack" days are just that. For the 12-18 month period it's to keep the every other day feeding schedule but not completely fill them up on the snack day. I definitely don't need a fat gecko. I hope it will also ease him from daily feeding to two to three times a week feeding.
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    (2) After the gecko is 18+ months would I continue using plain calcium on the days that would have been "with D3" as per Elizabeth's feeding guidelines (thanks for those by the way), or is the repti-vite sufficient calcium
    You're welcome! Just as your schedule above indicates when your leo is 18+ months, continue Repti Calcium with D3 feedings the first Monday of each month. On other Mondays, use Repti Calcium without D3. On each Thursday use Reptivite without D3.

    I suggest dubia on the Zoo Med Repti Calcium with D3 Mondays @ only 1 feeding per month and on the Repti Calcium without D3 Mondays as long as the Shade Dweller UVB lighting is working. That supplement may stick better to dubia than it does to mealworms.

    It's lighting guru Fran Baines, DVM, who suggests a backup dose of powdered D3 once a month.

    I don't know whether hookworms make good leo food. Do you mean hornworms?

    What do you think about using ProGutload 24/7 as the mealworm bedding, not just the 24 hour pre-feeding for mealworms?
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    Yeah lol -I meant Hornworms. Just used to writing hookworm from work I guess. Been seeing a lot of that with Christmas puppies and what not.

    I used Dr Baines suggestions and your schedule to come up with mine - I'm glad it seems adequate.

    I can try to use the pro gutload (at least for the worms I'll be feeding to the gecko, it'd be to expensive otherwise). I have about 30 beetles set aside in a smaller starter colony right now - I just wasn't sure if the beetles would eat it and lay eggs in it since they like to burrow. I will be ordering 5 pounds of the stuff this week. If it does not work for the beetles I can always use it for 24/7 bedding for the worms once they are big enough to sift out with my little worm strainer
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    Just so that you are aware, you can have bloodwork done as adults.

    Coccygeal vein phlebotomy

    This Leo belonged to a neighbor (14 year old), his last food item was a waxworm. The boy came to me concerned that his Leo stopped eating and mom refused vet care. I convinced mom to hand him over and she agreed. He was housed in a 20 gallon, Exo Terra sand and a UTH. Mild dehydration(total protein mildly elevated),missing digit, sand mixed with food impaction(even a human hair was present) and bacterial gut infection(green poop, white blood count came back elevated)

    Another vein site. Crested geckos https://www.researchgate.net/figure/...fig1_269652966
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    Your schedule looks good although we only dusted with D3 supplement once a month while using UVB. Consider the D3 that goes in the food as well, although it’s likely on the low side.

    You will see more tail action with crickets and so adding a few a week would be good. Roaches are great, however they hide under things and sit very still at times and the Leo is normally attracted to movement. I guess, I just really enjoy seeing that tail wiggle. I think you said this is going to be your first? I don’t recall tail action with roaches. They seem much more excited hunting crickets.

    https://youtu.be/KaCzp_j851E

    https://youtu.be/LuDuaJaboXg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sg612 View Post
    Just so that you are aware, you can have bloodwork done as adults.

    Coccygeal vein phlebotomy
    Oh, I know that you can have bloodwork done - I could even draw it myself and send it out - but it's not something I would put a small lizard through unless I had health concerns - unlike my cats who get yearly bloodwork just because I can and they tolerate it well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sg612 View Post
    Your schedule looks good although we only dusted with D3 supplement once a month while using UVB. Consider the D3 that goes in the food as well, although it’s likely on the low side.

    I think you said this is going to be your first?
    Thanks! And yeah this will be my first gecko. I'm going to repticon in January, and if I don't find one there I'll wait for my local reptile in February. Just want to get everything right prior to getting the gecko. I'm sure I will learn a ton and have to tweak things. I've read about this "tail-waggling" and those videos are super cute! I just hope that he (I want a male) eats well and is healthy.

    I'll be using the D3 only on the first Monday of the Month - so just like you mentioned

    I try and avoid crickets, I've had them infect my animals with pin worms and other parasites more than other insects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpottedDragon View Post
    Thanks! And yeah this will be my first gecko. I'm going to repticon in January, and if I don't find one there I'll wait for my local reptile in February. Just want to get everything right prior to getting the gecko. I'm sure I will learn a ton and have to tweak things. I've read about this "tail-waggling" and those videos are super cute! I just hope that he (I want a male) eats well and is healthy.

    I'll be using the D3 only on the first Monday of the Month - so just like you mentioned

    I try and avoid crickets, I've had them infect my animals with pin worms and other parasites more than other insects.
    As far as I know pinworms are host specific, rarely pathogenic in a normal immune system. In every leopard gecko samples that Iíve known off had pinworms present in low numbers, even in those fed only mealworms and samples taken from wild caught.

    Have a happy new year!
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