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    Hi, I just joined here and recently Iíve made my own gut-load for all my feeders.
    I use small world rabbit pellets which contains: Dehydrated Alfalfa Meal, Wheat Middling's, Roughage Products, Soybean Meal, Feeding Oatmeal etc.
    16% protein, 2.5% fat, fiber min 15% and max 20%, calcium min .50% and max 1.25%, phosphorus .50%.

    I then mix the pellets with dandelion greens, carrots, and bee pollen and grind them in a blender. This food turns out to be a hit with all my roaches and crickets so I plan on adding in some collard greens and maybe sweet potatoes.
    Is this mix ok to use as my 24/7 gut-load? And also should I add some zoo med calcium without D3 to increase the calcium in my formula?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digs View Post
    Hi, I just joined here and recently I’ve made my own gut-load for all my feeders.
    I use small world rabbit pellets which contains: Dehydrated Alfalfa Meal, Wheat Middling's, Roughage Products, Soybean Meal, Feeding Oatmeal etc.
    16% protein, 2.5% fat, fiber min 15% and max 20%, calcium min .50% and max 1.25%, phosphorus .50%.

    I then mix the pellets with dandelion greens, carrots, and bee pollen and grind them in a blender. This food turns out to be a hit with all my roaches and crickets so I plan on adding in some collard greens and maybe sweet potatoes.
    Is this mix ok to use as my 24/7 gut-load? And also should I add some zoo med calcium without D3 to increase the calcium in my formula?
    Many of your ingredients look quite good. Is your final mix wet or dry? A dry mix safeguards key ingredients much longer! I use dry gutloads and then add veggies and greens from the list below in a separate dish off to the side.

    It's difficult to know how your final mix pans out unless it's been formally analyzed. That's the reason I stick to insect gutloads that have been professionally analyzed. Right now my crickets and dubia are finishing off some Cricket Crack. I've also been feeding the insects finely ground Zoo Med's Natural ADULT Bearded Dragon Food on a 24/7 basis for about 5 years. They love it.

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    "A commercial gut loading food like Bug Burger or Superload (both by Repashy), Cricket Crack, Dinofuel, etc. is going to make your life easier AND provide a nutritious diet to your crickets at the same time. Avoid Fluker's gutloads, as they are super feeble in their formulas."

    "If you opt for making your own gutload at home, here is a list of great ingredients to use:
    Best: mustard greens, turnip greens, dandelion flowers & leaves, collard greens, escarole lettuce, papaya, watercress, and alfalfa.
    Good: sweet potato, carrots, oranges, mango, butternut squash, kale, apples, beet greens, blackberries, bok choy, and green beans.
    Dry food: bee pollen, organic non-salted sunflower seeds, spirulina, dried seaweed, flax seed, and organic non-salted almonds.
    Avoid as much as possible: potatoes, cabbage, iceberg lettuce, romaine lettuce, spinach, broccoli, tomatoes, corn, grains, beans, oats, bread, cereal, meat, eggs, dog food, cat food, fish food, canned or dead insects, vertebrates."
    Here are some important cautions.
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 11-26-2019 at 01:18 AM.
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    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)
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    The gut-load is sort of damp due to the fresh veggies. I was guessing that the protein wouldn't of increase that much due to me not adding any alfalfa besides what was in the rabbit food. I was also hoping that the dandelion green would also help with the calcium to phosphorus ratio a little bit.
    I'm planning on adding some veggies from the Best vegetable list and then some sweet potato for some vitamin A, however there's already 3,000 IU/IB of Vitamin A in the rabbit food so that might not be necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digs View Post
    The gut-load is sort of damp due to the fresh veggies. I was guessing that the protein wouldn't of increase that much due to me not adding any alfalfa besides what was in the rabbit food. I was also hoping that the dandelion green would also help with the calcium to phosphorus ratio a little bit.
    I'm planning on adding some veggies from the Best vegetable list and then some sweet potato for some vitamin A, however there's already 3,000 IU/IB of Vitamin A in the rabbit food so that might not be necessary.
    3,000 IU/pound or 3,000 IU per kg? What type of vitamin A: beta carotene or retinol?

    Is your leo getting a multivitamin as well as a calcium with D3?

    Can you amend your procedure so that the diet is dry and feed any damp/wet veggies in a lid off to one side? That should prolong the diet's life. The rabbit food pellets may need to be ground or pounded in some fashion.
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 12-03-2019 at 10:39 AM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)
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    I don't know that's just what I read on the analysis and It just says vitamin A supplement in the ingredients. Yes, I give my leopard gecko supplements. I have a zoomed t8 Reptisun 5.0 UVB florescent, So I use zoomed calcium without d3, zoomed reptivite without d3 and then once a month I will replace the zoomed reptivite with Repashy calcium plus with d3.

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    I almost forgot to answer your question about keeping dry and wet food separate. My insects are picky, Whenever I provide them dry food along with their wet food They seem to pick through the dry and eat only the wet. I at first decided to just give them only fruits/veggies in response but then I heard that those alone wouldn't provide the nutrients needed for my gecko. That's why I decided to mix them all together and it seems to work too. Maybe I could just make small batches so then I don't have to worry too much about the nutrients degrading.

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    Alright I decided to give dry food another chance. This time I blended the dry ingredients separately so then they are grounded up better. First, using a blender I ground up the Small World Rabbit Food until it was a powder, then I did the same to some bee pollen. I then added kelp powder into the mix. Now I'm just waiting to see how the insects react to this new recipe.

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    I went out the buy the natural adult bearded dragon food you recommended but after comparing it to other food I decided to get the natural forest tortoise food instead.

    Ingredients: Sun-cured oat hay, sun-cured timothy hay, Almond hulls, Wheat middling, Organic soybean meal, sun-cured alfalfa meal, ground whole wheat, dried mango, Escarole,Endive etc.

    protein 12%, fat 1.5%,fiber 22%, calcium(min) 0.90% (max) 1.30%, phosphorus (min) 0.40%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digs View Post
    The gut-load is sort of damp due to the fresh veggies. I was guessing that the protein wouldn't of increase that much due to me not adding any alfalfa besides what was in the rabbit food. I was also hoping that the dandelion green would also help with the calcium to phosphorus ratio a little bit.
    I'm planning on adding some veggies from the Best vegetable list and then some sweet potato for some vitamin A, however there's already 3,000 IU/IB of Vitamin A in the rabbit food so that might not be necessary.
    Had you already found this list before you joined GU?
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digs View Post
    I don't know that's just what I read on the analysis and It just says vitamin A supplement in the ingredients. Yes, I give my leopard gecko supplements. I have a zoomed t8 Reptisun 5.0 UVB florescent, So I use zoomed calcium without d3, zoomed reptivite without d3 and then once a month I will replace the zoomed reptivite with Repashy calcium plus with d3.
    That sounds like a fine plan! One super benefit of Zoo Med's supplements is the generous amount of calcium carbonate each of them contains -- both the Reptivite with and without D3 as well as Repti Calcium with D3.

    Your leo's vitamin A acetate (retinol) needs will be covered with Reptivite. A leo only needs a wee bit of vitamin A acetate weekly. Lightly dust the bugs and worms with Reptivite without D3 @ 1 feeding per week. Zoo Med's Natural ADULT Bearded Dragon Food also contains vitamin A acetate.

    For link 77 click: Gecko Multivitamins

    Let's see how your leo looks in the video I recommended on your other thread earlier this morning.
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 12-02-2019 at 07:37 AM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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