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    my approx. 4 mo is growing well, etc., but i've noticed a soft bulge behind his right arm for the past week or two. it's not behind the other arm and doesn't affect his gait. i can move it easily and it feels and looks like fat. he is by no means chunky and is a very active hunter so it's not like he's just a fat little slug that eats too much w/o getting exercise. i've read other threads that talk about them storing fat in this region, but only in the context of obese geckos. i'm not worried, but am curious to know what people think.

    sorry, i wasn't able to get a great pic of it, but i got some nice ones of him.




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    chubby side. it's not just skin folds.
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    I don't see anything, but if you can feel it on one side, it may be the beginning of the infamous bubbles. You know the routine, process of elimination. We can only guess based on the info that you provide. Due to his young age I would suspect temps. This is most common in those who mainly focus on belly heat only, but I think you mentioned before that you use a bulb as well?


    Warm air temp?
    Temp under the warm hide?
    Cool side temp?
    Are the temps stable (thermostat)?
    Are you using a good thermometer?
    Which hide does he spend most of his time? warm, moist, cool?
    Diet?
    Supplement schedule?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricket4u View Post
    I don't see anything, but if you can feel it on one side, it may be the beginning of the infamous bubbles. You know the routine, process of elimination. We can only guess based on the info that you provide. Due to his young age I would suspect temps. This is most common in those who mainly focus on belly heat only, but I think you mentioned before that you use a bulb as well?


    Warm air temp? low 80's
    Temp under the warm hide? 94
    Cool side temp? low 70's
    Are the temps stable (thermostat)? yes
    Are you using a good thermometer? yep
    Which hide does he spend most of his time? warm, moist, cool? warm and moist equally
    Diet? 8-12 crickets/night with meal worms once a week
    Supplement schedule? tues and fri ca2+ plus d3, sat herptivite, plain ca2+ in tank

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    yeah i have a bulb that i run during the day
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    Quote Originally Posted by aquamentus_11 View Post
    yeah i have a bulb that i run during the day
    A few thoughts cross my mind. My main concern is what calcium brand are you using? I am guessing you did not start using UVB yet? Just make sure that the calcium supplement does not contain large amounts of D3. I am not sure if you noticed the differences in D3 amounts in every brand? Keep in mind he is a lightweight and so I would be carefull not to provide too much.

    Also if he is moving back and foward between the warm hide and humidity hide a few times a day, chances are the warm hide temp is above his comfort level. He should at least be comfortable remaining in his warm hide a few hours without having to move. 94 may be a tad to high, but only he knows. I have never owned a leo who spends time in the moist hide aside from shedding (and I have housed quite a few). I am not sure if it's due to the fact I keep the humidity at 40-50%, so they are comfortable?

    You are also using a product that does not contain preformed Vit A which worries me. You must have read that chances are they cannot convert beta carotene? Maybe you're skeptical? At least make sure to provide it via gutload and keep an eye out for symptoms.
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    Actually I didn't know that they don't process beta carotene. His moist hide is on the warm side and I think he just likes the paper towel in it. Humidity is in the 40's and he only heads to the cool side when he's out hunting. What is an appropriate level of d3 for his size and which vitamin supplement do you recommend?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aquamentus_11 View Post
    Actually I didn't know that they don't process beta carotene. His moist hide is on the warm side and I think he just likes the paper towel in it. Humidity is in the 40's and he only heads to the cool side when he's out hunting. What is an appropriate level of d3 for his size and which vitamin supplement do you recommend?
    Oh, I guess you have not had a chance to read the caresheet carefully. I do not feel comfortable throwing D3 numbers around due to the lack of scientific evidence. There are so many opinions on this subject it's frustrating. I have to run, but I will finish my response in the AM.
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    Reptiles I have rehabilitated, rehomed or kept.
    All above species plus:


    Phelsuma Grandis~Rhacodactylus ciliatus~Paroedura~Rhacodactylus auriculatus ~Hemidactylus frenatus~Iguana~Turtles ~Snakes and too many more to name!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricket4u View Post
    Oh, I guess you have not had a chance to read the caresheet carefully. I do not feel comfortable throwing D3 numbers around due to the lack of scientific evidence. There are so many opinions on this subject it's frustrating. I have to run, but I will finish my response in the AM.
    I admit I have mostly just used it as a reference rather than reading it straight through
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    Quote Originally Posted by aquamentus_11 View Post
    I admit I have mostly just used it as a reference rather than reading it straight through
    So you are guilty. I hate to shut down, but it will be best that you did a little research of you own and come to your own conclusion. The D3 topic has been discussed to the point of exhaustion everywhere. Type in d3 in search and I'm sure you will find many discussions and information. Also keep an eye on this thread. I'm sure Maurice will post some very helpful information Tuesday.

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    Reptiles I have rehabilitated, rehomed or kept.
    All above species plus:


    Phelsuma Grandis~Rhacodactylus ciliatus~Paroedura~Rhacodactylus auriculatus ~Hemidactylus frenatus~Iguana~Turtles ~Snakes and too many more to name!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricket4u View Post
    So you are guilty. I hate to shut down, but it will be best that you did a little research of you own and come to your own conclusion. The D3 topic has been discussed to the point of exhaustion everywhere. Type in d3 in search and I'm sure you will find many discussions and information. Also keep an eye on this thread. I'm sure Maurice will post some very helpful information Tuesday.

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    no no that's fine. i'm just open to suggestions that's all. oddly, i feed all my crickets raw carrot for moisture/nutrition coupled with the cricket food....i wonder if they break down beta carotene and he's been able to get the vitamin from them. what a strange coincidence.
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