2 Juvies

[s33jay]

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Hi all, I just bought a couple of nice looking juvenile leos from my local petco about a week ago. Temps are fine and they seem to be getting along well in the tank. I was wondering if there was a way to sex them at such an early age. I believe they are both female but without any pores, or hemipenes its hard to tell. They haven't fought and have been together since they were in a small tank with about 10 other leos at the store so I'm really not concerned, it's more of curiosity. I read a few years back that the male will wiggle its tail in the presence of a female, but if they aren't sexually mature would a male still do that?
Since I know someone is going to ask the temps
warm side: 91F
cool side: 78F

[cricket4u]

Hi all, I just bought a couple of nice looking juvenile leos from my local petco about a week ago. Temps are fine and they seem to be getting along well in the tank. I was wondering if there was a way to sex them at such an early age. I believe they are both female but without any pores, or hemipenes its hard to tell. They haven't fought and have been together since they were in a small tank with about 10 other leos at the store so I'm really not concerned, it's more of curiosity. I read a few years back that the male will wiggle its tail in the presence of a female, but if they aren't sexually mature would a male still do that?
Since I know someone is going to ask the temps
warm side: 91F
cool side: 78F

Hello,

You should have sets of temperatures, not 1. Where are the rest? What size enclosure? Leo's are solitary and housed with another is a niusance. People often misinterpret their friendly looking faces. Just so that you know one laying on another is not cute, but rather a sign of one being dominant. Some humans house them together for their benefit without regards to what is best for the leo. I recommend that you house them separately.

There are risks involved. Even 2 females have been known to injure one another. Can you imagine being confined to such a small area with someone hurting or bullying you with nowhere to escape? If a female becomes gravid too young, she can become egg bound and die. They should both have 20 gallon long worth of space and each their own hides.

Wiggling of tail can also imply that the gecko is becoming defensive at any age. You should wait till they're about 6 months old to sex.

[s33jay]

They're in a 30 gallon together and although they are usually in the same hide together I have never seen either of them sleeping on or even near each other. They sometimes will be walking around the viv and just walk over one another like the other isn't even there but I haven't seen any problems besides that. I don't care if their faces look cute or happy, that's not the reason I have decided to start keeping them again. I've kept two females together years ago granted in a much larger terrarium (60 gal) and had no problems then either. Should a problem arise within 2 weeks I can return one

[cricket4u]

They're in a 30 gallon together and although they are usually in the same hide together I have never seen either of them sleeping on or even near each other.

Well there you have it. It tells how much they would prefer to live alone. I do not have the heart to return a leo back to the pet store. I would feel horrible. After he/she is in there new home very stressful for them.

[Elizabeth Freer]

They're in a 30 gallon together and although they are usually in the same hide together I have never seen either of them sleeping on or even near each other. They sometimes will be walking around the viv and just walk over one another like the other isn't even there but I haven't seen any problems besides that. I don't care if their faces look cute or happy, that's not the reason I have decided to start keeping them again. I've kept two females together years ago granted in a much larger terrarium (60 gal) and had no problems then either. Should a problem arise within 2 weeks I can return one

Thing is they can do fine together for 2 weeks plus at a young age. Then, PREST0 BOOM, bites could occur, tail injuries or more, or failure to thrive for the submissive leo.

We recommend 6 hides for 2 leos, doubling the warm moist hides, the warm hides, and the cool hides.

[s33jay]

It's looking like I'm going to have to return one of them =/ I dont really want to but if they do end up fighting eventually I'm not going to be able to have 2 separate vivs. Thanks for the advice

[Elizabeth Freer]

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It's looking like I'm going to have to return one of them =/ I dont really want to but if they do end up fighting eventually I'm not going to be able to have 2 separate vivs. Thanks for the advice

Better now than later after injuries may have occurred.

Exo Terra does have a front opening tank which measures 36 x 18 x 12 inches tall. Right now it is priced at $200.

Cricket4u ~ Is that enough space for two female leos as long as they are similarly sized and each has her own hides: warm, warm moist, and cool?