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    Hello, I'm new here. And I got a problem with my first own baby lizard, a Mack-Snow Leo. Gecko.

    INTRODUCTION:
    My sister do think its a girl. (Ex Gecko owner.)
    Flake, my gecko, is about 4 month old now.
    I got her for about.. 3 week or so.
    She did shed around 2 week ago.

    When I adopted her, she was energetic! running side to side, discovering I guess.
    Eating about 3-4 crickets a day, sometimes more. (accidently dropped too much crickets. like.. 6-7. that she eated eventually.)
    Pooped every single days. Very healtly and happy.
    20150612_160730[1].jpg

    THE PROBLEM!!!
    She is now very very very sleepy.
    Yes Gecko sleep at day and wake up at night, I know. But she is looking sick like us; exausted, sleepy, NOT HUNGRY!!!

    Since a week that she is like that... she scare me!
    I gave her crickets, waxworm and now I try butter worm. Not even that hungry...

    Also! She poop geen like liquid and a bit smelly...
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    Please, tell me more that just: "Go to the Vet." Because I'm so much sure that SOMEONE had that problem AND had fixed it.


    Thank in advance! :3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevmg17
    Also! She poop geen like liquid and a bit smelly...
    The green color and the fact that the feces smells more than usual are two clues that it's good to seek hands on vet assistance. Only a vet can test the feces and prescribe the necessary medicine to straighten things out.

    Flake is a beautiful leo! I'd hate to have anything happen to her.

    By the way what are her warm end and cool end temperatures as measured by a digital thermometer with a probe?

    #2---Fecal Sample Collection Procedure
    My exotics vet recommends:

    1. Place a piece of clean plastic where your leo usually poops. If your gecko poops somewhere else, take the poop to the vet anyway. Some poop is better than no poop! (Thanks to TheOneBlueGecko - 25 July 2011)

    2. As soon as your gecko has passed some poop and urates, but without physically touching the sample, place the feces and urates directly onto a clean plastic bottle cap. (Vet has fecal sample containers if you can stop by first.)

    3. Then place the bottle cap with fecal sample directly into a plastic ziploc bag. (Do NOT use paper towels or newspaper because those will absorb some of the feces necessary for a proper culture.)

    4. Refrigerate this sample...unless you are taking the sample to your vet immediately. Do NOT freeze it.

    5. Keep the sample cool enroute to the vet.

    6. Take this fecal sample to your vet within 24 hours of collecting...the sooner the better!
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 07-11-2015 at 02:41 AM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

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    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)
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    So she pooped when I saw her do so.. and I placed it on a bottle cap.
    I scooped it with a small spoon. (She pooped away from the plastic.) The spoon dint touched it. That still good?
    I put a plastic wrap around it. That do the job anyway, right?
    And put it carefully on my little fridge. Tomorrow, if my dad will want -I hope- we will go to the vet.


    Temperature:
    When I got her. ~100F* at the hot side. near 80-90F*or so at the cold side.
    Humidity 40 to 60%
    Room temperature was like ~30C* (~86F*)
    Her tank is 10 Gallon, ..I think its that.. enough big for a couple I say.

    The temperature in my room now, since 2-3 days is a bit crazy! 35 to 40C* (95 to 104F*)
    Humidity at 50% and cold side is 92F* at the moment of this post. (no lamp on)
    Told ya! Its hot here since 2-3 days.


    Update:
    I cleaned her tank up. Leaving her in a big plastic bowl thing with a bit some water, enough like if she rest on her water bowl in her tank.
    Cleaning the sand with a sieve, flushed the crap that came out.
    Cleaned the window and every item with water and washcloth. No Windex

    Also! She sheded yesterday without I even see her going pale before shed.

    She still LOOK healthy but dont eat at all...
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    Please consider this "Flake's thread" and continue most all issues right here even though you feel they may be unrelated. Truth be told, most all gecko issues ARE related.

    Good on leo Flake's feces sample. Hopefully it is in the refrigerator right now and not in the freezer. Keep it cool on the way to the vet's. I suggest a styrofoam picnic-type cooler with some cold packs in it if it is as hot as you say tomorrow. Keep us posted.

    1. The temperatures you report are too hot for a leopard gecko on a regular basis. Ouch!
    2. Until the weather cools down, do not use any extra heat on Flake's vivarium!
    3. Is there ANY cooler place in your home where you can keep Flake?
    4. If your hot weather is going to last a while, can you get an oscillating fan to help cool Flake? Not sure how you would direct it down into the vivarium.
    5. What type thermometer are you using?
    6. The temperature underneath the warm dry hide right on the ground should be:

      Required temperatures for all leopard geckos regardless of size
      88-93 F (31-34 C) floor/ground temperature right underneath a leo's warm dry hide
      no greater than 85 F (29.5 C) air temperature - 4 inches above ground on the warm end
      no greater than 75 F (24.5 C) air temperature - 4 inches above ground on the cool end

      Leave the UTH on 24/7. Turn off overhead lighting/heating at night (~12 hours on and ~12 hours off) unless ambient room temperatures are particularly cool during the night.

    7. Please remove all sand. Sand can be very unsanitary and has a high risk for impaction.
    8. Replace sand with a layer of paper towels
    9. 10 gallon tanks are scarcely large enough for 1 young gecko.
    10. What are the dimensions of your tank? Cms are fine.
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 07-14-2015 at 02:03 AM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)
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    Its cooled, not freezed.

    1: Sorry.
    2: Noted.
    3: The only place I know is my parrent chamber. but there no place to leave the terrarium there. And, there bird in cage. One of them as doubled his age limit! (Max age of the bird is 11, and he is 22!) I also dont want all the bird to stress seing a Lizard looking at them...
    4: We dont have a fan that can to that actually. But! I have a huge one at my window who actually "kill" the heat. Without that fan, my room would be a hot as hell! (The heat thing on my wall say 29.5C* at the time of the post. And the time is Noon)
    5: Right like the bottom one, but the separated version. http://www.drsfostersmith.com/images...l/p_231638.jpg
    6: I use a little heat pad... who seem too damn hot! Who I IMMEDIATELY UNPLUGGED! At the start to this reply, I've put the temperature meter on her warm hide, not I check. 105F* No wonder that she hide on her cold side! ~90F* I'll say.
    -Mom say today will be 35C* With storm.
    7: Why do pet shop give the trouble to sell good quality sand WITH a gecko on it WHEN its bad for them?
    8: Good thing that we have some. Will do.
    9: I expect, MAYBE adopt later a male (if Flake is really a girl. I know that its hard to see as baby)
    10: I got the tank from that set: http://zoomed.com/Library/_DB_Files/...ainPicture.jpg
    -Size, inside is: 9.5" by 19.5" by 9.5" (24.13cm x 49.53cm x 24.13cm)


    She seem to have pooped like if she ate a worm, but she dint... normal?
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    I dont know if my reply to your last reply dont show... that would be sad to re-type that again.....

    Also, I called the vet. he ask 110$ JUST to check... I dont have that...

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    From you and a other post on another website, it do seem that sand was the true problem.
    But there exist food that I can give her to help to.. digest the sand? (pictures or video plz!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevmg17 View Post
    Hello, I'm new here. And I got a problem with my first own baby lizard, a Mack-Snow Leo. Gecko.
    ......

    20150612_160730[1].jpg

    THE PROBLEM!!!
    She is now very very very sleepy.
    Yes Gecko sleep at day and wake up at night, I know. But she is looking sick like us; exausted, sleepy, NOT HUNGRY!!!

    Since a week that she is like that... she scare me!
    I gave her crickets, waxworm and now I try butter worm. Not even that hungry...

    Also! She poop geen like liquid and a bit smelly...
    -----

    Please, tell me more that just: "Go to the Vet." Because I'm so much sure that SOMEONE had that problem AND had fixed it.


    Thank in advance! :3
    Quote Originally Posted by Kevmg17 View Post
    I dont know if my reply to your last reply dont show... that would be sad to re-type that again.....

    Also, I called the vet. he ask 110$ JUST to check... I dont have that...
    I have seen your last 3 replies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kevmg17 View Post
    From you and a other post on another website, it do seem that sand was the true problem.
    But there exist food that I can give her to help to.. digest the sand? (pictures or video plz!)
    Quote Originally Posted by Kevmg17
    She seem to have pooped like if she ate a worm, but she dint... normal?
    It's too bad that moderator @thorrshamri is here infrequently. He speaks French.

    1. Can you feel gritty sand in the poop? If not this one, then feel the next poop between your fingers.
    2. What color was that poop?
    3. Pooping is a +++ sign. Crickets or mealworms will make the impaction worse!
    4. If Flake's tummy is hard, find some plain turkey (or chicken) baby food to feed her until she passes the impaction. Gerber's makes this in the USA.
    5. Catlax on her lips once a day might help. You could also try olive oil or mineral oil on her lips.
    6. Warm water (86*F) soaks 1x per day for about 20 minutes with gentle massaging of the leo from throat to vent might also help.
    7. Does she have fresh water available at all times and a warm moist hide 24/7?
    8. Green and smelly feces do not indicate impaction. Only a vet can treat parasites, bacteria, or infection.
    9. Can you gently press her tummy up against clear glass or a clear deli cup and take a photo of her belly?


    Hopefully I can check in later with a few comments regarding your post #5.
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 09-11-2015 at 03:34 AM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    1: No sand-like feeling yet.
    2: like a moth ago or so, green. now. more like yellow-ish green. I mean.. half green half yellow~ ..sort of.
    3: "Crickets or mealworms will make the impaction worse!" hmm... why???
    4: Hard? Lets me check for sure... soft for me, like a normal belly.
    5: Oil will work as laxative?
    6: Noted. Will try. but massage will not work. she move away at the very first touch.
    7: Fresh water every day! for a warm side, I just have the lamp over it. I have a heat pad, but its unplugged due from I removed the sand. (Now paper towel)
    8: 140$ for a check up (dint went checked up yet)
    9: 20150823_231415.jpg20150823_231512.jpg

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    R.I.P. Flake.
    Found dead this morning, behind her big hide rock. Maybe she dont wanted me to worry for her death... but now she is gone.

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    I made a rose bed for her. In the plastic box than she came in my house with.

    Thanks for helping. Really.

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