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    Hey everybody i was just touching bases with ya and keeping you up to date. The picture problem is solved guess it was just that night. Also a quick update on zoey, she is super active and back to her old self her poop is solid again. I will try to get a pic but she literally just shed today so it may look weird, there is no more watery substance coming out of her poo anymore either so everything seems back too normal. I dust vitamins twice weekly and calcium twice weekly and keep calcium in the cage also. And ive been feeding those crickets the bearded dragon food since we started keeping our 3 geckos. Its the repcal adult bearded dragon food. We are just happy shes doing fine now. Lol even if we wasted 120 dollars at the Vet

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    Not wasted, peace of mind

    I would take the calcium out of the cage, but that is my suggestion, do as you wish. The bearded dragon food is great for the crickets.
    1.0.0 Eublepharis macularius - Leopard Gecko
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perfecthair View Post
    Hey everybody i was just touching bases with ya and keeping you up to date. The picture problem is solved guess it was just that night. Also a quick update on zoey, she is super active and back to her old self her poop is solid again. I will try to get a pic but she literally just shed today so it may look weird, there is no more watery substance coming out of her poo anymore either so everything seems back too normal. I dust vitamins twice weekly and calcium twice weekly and keep calcium in the cage also. And ive been feeding those crickets the bearded dragon food since we started keeping our 3 geckos. Its the repcal adult bearded dragon food. We are just happy shes doing fine now. Lol even if we wasted 120 dollars at the Vet
    Did you buy Zoo Med's Natural Adult Bearded Dragon Food? That's the one I recommend. If it's actually RepCal's brand and compares favorably with Zoo Med's (and your crickets get it 24/7), I'd probably cut back the multivitamins to light dustings 2x per month. Getting vitamins via diet is the best way.

    Click this one: Amazon.com : Rep Cal Bearded Dragon Adult Food 8oz : Pet Food : Pet Supplies

    What brand and type of multivitamins have you?

    Even if your multivitamins contain D3, I'd also get Zoo Med's Repti Calcium with D3. That has enough, not too much, vitamin D3.

    Leos excrete feces, urates, and urine. The puddle is probably urine.
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 09-01-2015 at 02:06 PM. Reason: typo
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elizabeth Freer View Post
    Did you buy Zoo Med's Natural Adult Bearded Dragon Food? That's the one I recommend. If it's actually RepCal's brand and compares favorably with Zoo Med's (and your crickets get it 24/7), I'd probably cut back the multivitamins to light dustings 2x per month. Getting vitamins via diet is the best way.

    Click this one: Amazon.com : Rep Cal Bearded Dragon Adult Food 8oz : Pet Food : Pet Supplies

    What brand and type of multivitamins have you?

    Even if your multivitamins contain D3, I'd also get Zoo Med's Repti Calcium with D3. That has enough, not too much, vitamin D3.

    Leos excrete feces, urates, and urine. The puddle is probably urine.
    Yea its the exact food in the link, i ground it up in a blender and serve it dry to all my feeders. And both my calcium and vitamins are made by rep cal, the calcium is with d3 also. I will cut back on her vitamins to twice a month. Thanks for everybody's help also, we really appreciate it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perfecthair View Post
    Yea its the exact food in the link, i ground it up in a blender and serve it dry to all my feeders. And both my calcium and vitamins are made by rep cal, the calcium is with d3 also. I will cut back on her vitamins to twice a month. Thanks for everybody's help also, we really appreciate it
    I'm not a fan of Rep-Cal's supplements. Here's why.
    • Rep-Cal's Calcium with D3 contains huge amounts of D3, far more than is necessary.
    • Rep-Cal's Herptivite multivitamins contain beta carotene. It's been shown that chameleons do not metabolize beta carotene well and need some vitamin A acetate.

    I'd get Zoo Med's plain (no D3) Reptivite multivitamins and Zoo Med's Repti Calcium with D3. As long as you use the adult beardie food, then lightly dust prey 2x per month with the Reptivite and 1x per week with the Repti Calcium with D3.

    Here's a link that shows Rep-Cal's adult beardie food's ingredients: Rep-Cal Maintenance Formula Adult Bearded Dragon Food | Food | PetSmart

    Since your leo is getting vitamin A acetate via the beardie food, maybe Herptivite would be OK. Any feedback is welcome.

    I would not leave any supplements in the vivarium.
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 09-02-2015 at 05:01 AM.
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)
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    Oh okay, i have zoo meds calcium with d3 i just bought the others after watching some videos by davidsfinegeckos he highly recommended there products so that's why i switched
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    Natural Bearded Dragon Food - Adult Formula

    Too low in protein and too high in fiber.

    First ingredient: Soybean Hulls

    A quote by MADER so it's not coming from a stranger on the internet (me)

    The amino acid content of plant-source ingredients, such as soybean and gluten meals, is not adequate for carnivore and insectivores but should suffice for herbivores.

    Rep-Cal Maintenance Formula Adult Bearded Dragon Food | Food | PetSmart

    Too much fiber for an insectivore/carnivore.

    Sorry, the perfect product does not exist as far as I know. I rotate insects and rotate between these 2: I very rarely use supplements.

    Hi Calcium Gut Loading Diet # 5M38 - 1 kg

    Better BugŪ Gut-Loading Diet # 5B45 - 1 kg

    Just to clarify, they end up receiving the green food (higher protein) Better Bug about once a month due to the rotation of insects and high protein content.
    Last edited by cricket4u; 09-02-2015 at 09:46 PM.
    Currently keeping:

    Eublepharis gecko 2.1.0~Hemitheconyx gecko 1.0.0~Gekko gecko 1.0.0~Pogana Vitticeps 1.0.0~Varanus exanthematicus 1.1.0~Varanus acanthurus 1.0.0~Blue Tongue Skink 1.0.0~Red-eared slider 1.0.0

    Reptiles I have rehabilitated, rehomed or kept.
    All above species plus:


    Phelsuma Grandis~Rhacodactylus ciliatus~Paroedura~Rhacodactylus auriculatus ~Hemidactylus frenatus~Iguana~Turtles ~Snakes and too many more to name!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricket4u View Post
    .....

    A quote by MADER so it's not coming from a stranger on the internet (me)

    The amino acid content of plant-source ingredients, such as soybean and gluten meals, is not adequate for carnivore and insectivores but should suffice for herbivores.

    ......

    Sorry, the perfect product does not exist as far as I know. I rotate insects and rotate between these 2: I very rarely use supplements.

    Hi Calcium Gut Loading Diet # 5M38 - 1 kg

    Better BugŪ Gut-Loading Diet # 5B45 - 1 kg

    Just to clarify, they end up receiving the green food (higher protein) Better Bug about once a month due to the rotation of insects and high protein content.
    I am impressed with the 8-9% calcium levels of Mazuri's Hi Calcium Gut Loading Diet as compared with the other feeds' marginal calcium levels.

    The directions state:
    • Feed to crickets or other feeder insects free-choice for 24-72 hours. No supplementation is needed.
    • When this diet is consumed, the total body calcium of the crickets and feeder insects is increased. The presence of this diet in the gut of the feeder insects results in a higher level of calcium being delivered to reptiles and other animals that eat them.
    • Fresh water should be available to crickets at all times.

    1. Mazuri lists soybean products 2nd and 5th from the top.
    2. Are you using this 24/7/365 as the staple cricket diet?
    3. Are you still using the feed your neighbor makes?
    4. Why are you using Mazuri's Better Bug about 1x per month? Seems like it has too much protein even for infrequent usage.
    5. How do you feel it compares with T-Rex Calcium Plus Food for Crickets? T-Rex lists soybean meal 1st and calcium carbonate 2nd.
    6. Can you link the Douglas Mader article that your quote came from?
    7. Overall, do you feel Mazuri's High Calcium Gut Loading diet is a superior product?
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 09-03-2015 at 04:57 PM. Reason: typos
    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

    "May the peace that
    You find at the beach
    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside an enclosure <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elizabeth Freer View Post
    I am impressed with the 8-9% calcium levels of Mazuri's Hi Calcium Gut Loading Diet as compared with the other feeds' marginal calcium levels.

    The directions state:
    • Feed to crickets or other feeder insects free-choice for 24-72 hours. No supplementation is needed.
    • When this diet is consumed, the total body calcium of the crickets and feeder insects is increased. The presence of this diet in the gut of the feeder insects results in a higher level of calcium being delivered to reptiles and other animals that eat them.
    • Fresh water should be available to crickets at all times.

    1. Mazuri list soybean products 2nd and 5th from the top.
    2. Are you using this 24/7/365 as the staple cricket diet?
    3. Are you still using the feed your neighbor makes?
    4. Why are you using Mazuri's Better Bug about 1x per month? Seems like it has too much protein even for infrequent usage.
    5. How do you feel it compares with T-Rex Calcium Plus Food for Crickets? T-Rex lists soybean meal 1st and calcium carbonate as 2nd.
    6. Can you link the Douglas Mader article that your quote came from?
    7. Overall, do you feel Mazuri's High Calcium Gut Loading diet is a superior product?
    Read under research findings:

    http://www.mazuri.com/product_pdfs/5M38.pdf

    Mazuri list soybean products 2nd and 5th from the top.
    This is why I mentioned there is no perfect product, however this is a gut load not a regular feed.

    Are you using this 24/7/365 as the staple cricket diet?
    No, this is a gut load not intended for regular feeding.

    Why are you using Mazuri's Better Bug about 1x per month? Seems like it has too much protein even for infrequent usage.
    A little boost of protein and other goods.

    How do you feel it compares with T-Rex Calcium Plus Food for Crickets? T-Rex lists soybean meal 1st and calcium carbonate as 2nd.
    This is why I rotate insects and feed. I'd have to say.....better.

    Can you link the Douglas Mader article that your quote came from?
    I tried, can't get my camera to focus(blurred). Page 284 under protein deficiency.

    Overall, do you feel Mazuri's High Calcium Gut Loading diet is a superior product?
    Superior...hmm. Let's just say its working for me.

    Oops, I missed one.
    Are you still using the feed your neighbor makes?
    Yes
    Last edited by cricket4u; 09-03-2015 at 09:46 AM.
    Currently keeping:

    Eublepharis gecko 2.1.0~Hemitheconyx gecko 1.0.0~Gekko gecko 1.0.0~Pogana Vitticeps 1.0.0~Varanus exanthematicus 1.1.0~Varanus acanthurus 1.0.0~Blue Tongue Skink 1.0.0~Red-eared slider 1.0.0

    Reptiles I have rehabilitated, rehomed or kept.
    All above species plus:


    Phelsuma Grandis~Rhacodactylus ciliatus~Paroedura~Rhacodactylus auriculatus ~Hemidactylus frenatus~Iguana~Turtles ~Snakes and too many more to name!
    Thanks Elizabeth Freer thanked for this post

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