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    Quote Originally Posted by muffin_song View Post
    Just wanted to give an update. I've switched Scooter to 3 insects per feeding, 3 feedings/week. Two of those feedings are dusted with RepCal w/D3. Tomorrow my plan is to go to the pet store and pick up the Reptivite w/o D3 that Elizabeth suggested, and go down to only giving her the RepCal with D3 once a week. I took the Total Bites out of the dubia's cage and am now just feeding them collard greens.

    Scooter is still coming in at 69 grams, but she's not gaining weight either. (You could probably make a whole thread devoted to how to get a leo to sit still on a scale!!!) Lately she's been getting 1 dubia and around 2 horn worms, with occasionally a mealworm substituted in.

    Generally speaking Scooter is doing well, except she hasn't pooped for several days now and she's making her mom worried! Still happily eating, though, and no visible discoloration on her belly. I don't know if the horn worms (or something else) is making her constipated? If I don't see her poop by early next week, I'll take her to the vet. Her coloring suggests she's on the verge of shedding, in case that has any influence.
    Rep-Cal's calcium with D3 contains a huge amount of D3. Even now (before switching to the beardie food) I'd just lightly dust 1x per week with that. For a comparison of D3 calcium products, scroll to post #24 following my basic Leo Caresheet.

    Total Bites aren't harmful at all. I'd continue them, then alternate them with the beardie food till they are gone. The dubia just need a higher protein dry diet. How about getting some adult Zoo Med beardie food for the dubia? PetSmart carries it.

    Collards are excellent.

    Hornworms are very juicy. They have lots of moisture!

    Partial hornworm analysis
    Protein: 9%
    Fat: 3.07%
    Calcium: 46.4mg/100mg
    Moisture: 85%

    Maybe Scooter chose a new poop spot?

    Could you put Scooter in a tall deli cup to facilitate weighing?
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    Just to add to what Elizabeth said because I have had recent experience of a similar situation with regards to poops with my Leo.

    Her diet is highly varied with about 10 different kinds of insects offered across the period of a week or so. Ever since there was this much variation she poops more irregularly depending on the insects she has most recently consumed. She would poop every day or every two days 100% of the time while only eating meal-worms at her breeders and now it can be longer (sometimes up to three days before she goes). I'm guessing this is because some insects are harder for her to digest than others and thus take more time to pass through her system. I noticed this especially when I introduced her to a "new" insect for the first time.

    Perhaps your Leo has had a similar experience?

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    Thank you Elizabeth and Shane for your insights! As an update, I did get the adult beardie food today and will start feeding it to the dubias. I'm having trouble finding Reptivite without D3, and will likely order it online. I also picked up some calciworms to add to her diet variety (I think those are the same as phoenix worms?)

    Elizabeth, is it good or bad that horn worms are so juicy?

    Shane, it makes me relieved to hear that Scooter's erratic pooping may just be because of a new insect. Tonight she produced a urate, but half of it was mushier than normal and a little discolored on one side. (I apologize for the blurriness of the picture!) Anything I should be worried about here?

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    She did do her usual "I'm going to come out of my hide and see if you have food for me!" thing when I opened the cage to change her water tonight, so she seems fairly happy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by muffin_song View Post
    Thank you Elizabeth and Shane for your insights! As an update, I did get the adult beardie food today and will start feeding it to the dubias. I'm having trouble finding Reptivite without D3, and will likely order it online. I also picked up some calciworms to add to her diet variety (I think those are the same as phoenix worms?)

    You are welcome.

    Good for you getting Zoo Med's adult beardie food! Fortunately I have a local garden and pet store that orders no D3 Reptivite for me.

    Calciworms, reptiworms, and Phoenix worms are generically black soldier fly larvae.


    Elizabeth, is it good or bad that horn worms are so juicy?

    It's a good thing. Hornworms provide lots of moisture and good calcium.

    Shane, it makes me relieved to hear that Scooter's erratic pooping may just be because of a new insect. Tonight she produced a urate, but half of it was mushier than normal and a little discolored on one side. (I apologize for the blurriness of the picture!) Anything I should be worried about here?

    stool.jpg

    She did do her usual "I'm going to come out of my hide and see if you have food for me!" thing when I opened the cage to change her water tonight, so she seems fairly happy?
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    Hey Muffin_Song,

    Its a good sign that her behavior seems normal as I have read impacted geckos can become lethargic quickly in that state.

    I think you would still be well advised to take Scooter along to the vet if you haven't seen any fecal matter by the very beginning of next week. As for the urate it can be tough to tell with those if their color is normal as the accompanying liquids can discolor them once they have been passed and the same can be responsible for the consistency, to me it looks pretty normal (ideally they should be pure white if they don't get stained by anything else) but I am by no means an expert I'm afraid.

    You're on the right track so just keep a good eye on her and we'll keep our fingers crossed too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zux View Post
    Hey Muffin_Song,

    Its a good sign that her behavior seems normal as I have read impacted geckos can become lethargic quickly in that state.

    I think you would still be well advised to take Scooter along to the vet if you haven't seen any fecal matter by the very beginning of next week. As for the urate it can be tough to tell with those if their color is normal as the accompanying liquids can discolor them once they have been passed and the same can be responsible for the consistency, to me it looks pretty normal (ideally they should be pure white if they don't get stained by anything else) but I am by no means an expert I'm afraid.

    You're on the right track so just keep a good eye on her and we'll keep our fingers crossed too.

    - Shane
    I would say she's been a little less active than usual, but not to the point where she won't come out of her hide. I'm going to try giving her a drop of oil and a bath tonight.

    Thanks for the input!

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    One more question about hornworms, Elizabeth - can they ever cause impaction in leos when they get too big? I've been giving Scooter ones that are 1.5 - 2 inches, and I worry that's the cause of her not pooping. (Of course, I haven't ruled out that it's the supplements or something either)

    Horn worms are expensive and I'm trying to give her the larger ones before they get any more gigantic, but I'll donate them to my friend's beardie if they're hurting Scooter once they get to a certain size!

    Thanks for bearing with me in all of these questions!

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    Quote Originally Posted by muffin_song View Post
    One more question about hornworms, Elizabeth - can they ever cause impaction in leos when they get too big? I've been giving Scooter ones that are 1.5 - 2 inches, and I worry that's the cause of her not pooping. (Of course, I haven't ruled out that it's the supplements or something either)

    Horn worms are expensive and I'm trying to give her the larger ones before they get any more gigantic, but I'll donate them to my friend's beardie if they're hurting Scooter once they get to a certain size!

    Thanks for bearing with me in all of these questions!
    You're welcome. We are all newbies when it comes to getting a new gecko genus.

    I don't think hornworms can cause impaction. If they are too big, maybe choking? I feed my leo Cha about 1.5 inch hornworms. She's about the same size as Scooter's 69 grams. Hornworms are soft bodied worms, so they are easy to digest. They are expensive, so set up a picnic cooler with solid reusable ice packs. That keeps them from growing. I've kept them alive for up to 3 weeks this way.

    Have you seen these: Hornworm Guidelines?
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    I'm a huge fan of hornworms, I'm sure using them is what saved one of my leo's who had stopped eating and looked dehydrated. Quite opposite from constipating her, they may have caused her to poop to become very watery a few times.

    Good luck with the calciworms, they are the same as phoenix worms, reptiworms, and black soldier fly larvae. Some leo's like them, others don't. None of mine ever ate them, but other folks on here have had great luck with them. I would recommend rinsing them in lukewarm water, that may help them be more palatable.
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    Aaaaand I found that she had pooped in her corner when I got home today. Thanks for making your mom worry, Scooter!

    I may occasionally pop back here to ask questions as they come up - it sounds like it's easier to keep things on one thread, even if the topic is different. Thanks to everyone for all the advice and encouragement!
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