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    Unhappy Baby Leopard Gecko Turning Pink ... ?


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    Hi all,

    I picked up an incredibly tiny leo at a reptile expo about a month ago. He's been doing exceptionally well: he's a great eater, very curious and alert, poops every day, etc. Today however, I noticed that his body seems to have developed a noticeable pink undertone. I should mention that he did shed today -- when I checked on him this morning he was dull and very obviously about to shed, so I misted down his humid hide and he spent the entire day in it. When I came to check on him tonight he had shed, but his body seemed extremely pink. I'm not sure if the shed had anything to do with it, as about a week ago I did notice that the white bands on his tail seemed a bit pink but figured it was just a trick of the light.

    I'm worried because he's such a small guy and I'm not sure whether this is at all normal. I can't seem to find much information about this through google.

    The first 2 photos are of when I first got him. The last 3 are from tonight. The pink is most noticeable on his tail. As you can see, he appears alert and otherwise healthy (and completely adorable). There hasn't been any change in his behavior (apart from actively checking out his new surroundings, as I moved him into my bedroom in order to keep an eye on him, changed out all of his paper towels, and thoroughly washed out his water dish). He is currently relaxing in his humid hide.

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    And here is the information on him:

    Basic Information
    Species of lizard:
    Leopard gecko
    Gecko's name: Kylo
    Morph: Normal I'm assuming
    Gender: He's still a baby, but appears male
    Age: Not sure, assuming between 1-2 months. I've had him for 1 month.
    Weight: I haven't weighed him recently and don't want to stress him, I'm assuming he's 5 or 6 grams. When I first got him he weighed 3g.

    Enclosure dimensions (length x width x height): 5 gal (temporary, I'm moving in a week and will be upgrading)
    Substrate provided: Paper towel

    What type and brand of thermometer (digital with probe, temperature gun, LCD strip, analog (circle), combo digital thermometer/hygrometer, stainless steel aquarium type, other): digital with probe. ZooMed
    What is the ground temperature right on the substrate under the warm dry hide: 92.7F
    What is the air temperature on the warm end about 4 inches up from the ground: 79.4F
    What is the air temperature on the cool end about 4 inches up from the ground: 77.2F
    What device(s) are used to maintain the temperature (Under Tank Heater, heat light, Ceramic Heat Emitter, Flexwatt heat tape, hot rock, other): UTH

    Insects and worms, list type: small crickets, small mealworms
    Regular diet fed to the insects: carrot, cricket gel, sometimes strawberry
    Regular diet fed to the worms: carrot

    How often do you feed your gecko? Daily
    Please list any supplements (with brand names) used. How are they given and how often? exoterra calcium (without d3) dusted 5x per week, exoterra multivitamin dusted 2x per week

    If your gecko is sick, please describe the signs and how long your gecko has been showing these signs: Developing pink undertone, very apparent today


    Additional Information

    General
    Gecko's total length:
    maybe 4in?
    Length of your reptile when you first acquired it: slightly smaller
    Source (pet store, breeder, previous owner): breeder @ reptile expo
    Captive bred or wild caught: captive bred

    Vivarium
    Number of hides:
    3
    Location of hides: 2 on cool, 1 on warm
    Is there a humidity hide? location? yes, cool side
    Please describe any other furnishings: paper towel substrate, water dish, calcium dish
    List recent changes in the environment, if any: JUST replaced paper towels, washed out water dish and removed calcium dish to wash and replace tomorrow

    Lighting
    Artificial lighting:
    None
    Incandescent ("screw-in type bulbs): wattages: n/a
    Fluorescent (tube bulbs): n/a
    Access to ambient daylight from a distant window: Yes, moderate indirect sunlight

    Heating
    Ventilation space for your UTH by elevating the tank above the shelf (some UTHs come with sticky feet for the tank corners):
    corners of tank lifted up on erasers
    Are you using a thermostat(s)? No
    Which hide does she/he spend most of her time? He sleeps in his cool hide (cave) during the day, then hangs out under or on top of his warm hide (half log) during the night
    Is the temperature decreased at night? by how much? UTH left on but of course ambient temp is cooler

    Humidity
    Is the humidity measured?
    No
    Humidity range: Don't know. Mist down humid hide every couple of days

    Diet
    Are the insects and worms formally “gutloaded” 1-2 days prior to feeding off to your gecko? If so with?
    Carrots, cricket gel
    What calcium brand are you using? with D3, without or both? exoterra calcium, without d3
    Is the calcium in the tank with D3 or without? Without
    Multivitamins (include brand name)? exoterra multivitamin
    Please list any recent additions/changes in the diet: usually feed him crix every day and leave mealworms in his dish, but the last couple of days had run out of crix and was feeding just mealworms

    General Health
    Is your gecko’s general activity level normal, decreased, or increased?
    normal
    Is your gecko’s appetite normal, decreased, or increased? normal
    Have you noticed any of the following?
    Weight (loss or gain):
    gain, as he's a baby and growing
    Discharge from the eyes or nose: no
    Increased breathing rate or effort: no
    Change in the droppings: no
    Urates
    ---white or yellowish:
    white
    ---size of urates as compared to size of feces: 1/3 - 1/2
    Abnormal skin color or shedding: he's pink!
    Parasites on the skin or in the feces: no
    Weakness: no
    Regurgitation: no

    Previous problems and/or illnesses None that I'm aware of

    Other Critters in Same Cage or in Household I have a small dog, and two other leos (both female, one is 14 years old and the other is approx 10 years old)
    List other animals that are kept in the same cage: None
    Recent acquisitions (new pets within the past 6 months): None
    Are any of your other pets ill? Not to my knowledge

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    Hello!

    In all honesty I wouldn't be too worried, baby geckos' colors change a lot as a they mature. They always look very vibrant after they shed, just make sure he doesn't have any sores from shedding to make him a pinkish tone. You are a very good and observant owner to notice this, it is always good to ask for help about anything you are unsure of! However I did notice some other care that could use a bit of tuning;

    Humidity hide
    Move your humid hide to the warm end if possible, it will create more humidity and most importantly it is very warm. A cool moist gecko could make for a sick gecko.

    Suppliments
    Exo Terra suppliments are very poor, there is far too much dusting going on and an extreme imbalance will likely result if this continues.

    "It's important for geckos to have some source of preformed vitamin A (retinol) in their diets.

    Exo Terra multivitamins contain beta carotene instead of preformed vitamin A (retinol). Chances are geckos cannot metabolize beta carotene. So Vitamin A deficiency would result. Exo Terra multivitamins also fall short on vitamins and minerals, such as missing vitamin B12." -Elizabeth Freer

    I reccomend you pick one of these two suppliment regimes;
    Zoo Med's Reptivite multivitamins without D3
    Zoo Med's Repti Calcium with D3
    Precipitated calcium carbonate without D3
    OR
    Repashy's Calcium Plus
    Precipitated calcium carbonate without D3

    If you would like more information on why the Exo Terra suppliments are poor I can provide more. I can also supply a suppliment schedule for both or one of the regimes mentioned above. Improper supplimentation is one cause for skin issues, it could be a possible explanation for the pinkish under tone though I doubt this.

    I also will add that you may want to remove the calcium from the tank to avoid calcium over doses which can cause serious issues.

    Sexing Leopard Geckos

    Leopard geckos become sexable at about 6 months old. Males can be distinguished from females by a distinct v-shaped row of pores and by bulges right under the vent.
    •Click: Sexing Leopard Geckos

    I hope this was somewhat useful! Your little one is extremely adorable, how long have you had your other Leos?
    Last edited by PoppyDear; 07-24-2017 at 12:02 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoppyDear View Post
    Hello!

    In all honesty I wouldn't be too worried, baby geckos' colors change a lot as a they mature. They always look very vibrant after they shed, just make sure he doesn't have any sores from shedding to make him a pinkish tone. You are a very good and observant owner to notice this, it is always good to ask for help about anything you are unsure of! However I did notice some other care that could use a bit of tuning;

    [...]

    I hope this was somewhat useful! Your little one is extremely adorable, how long have you had your other Leos?
    Thank you! I'll make those adjustments to the humid hide and the supplements and keep an eye on his color. He had no sores or irritation that I noticed otherwise. I check on him throughout the day just because he's such a baby and I'm paranoid that something might happen to him. Plus, since I'll be moving soon, I've been trying to ensure that he's as healthy and comfortable as possible because I know the move will be stress-inducing. With regard to his sex, I'm just going with what the seller said (don't know if he was incubated male or what the case was) and I know he'll have to grow a bit before I can be sure.

    As for my other leos, I got Nekko when she was about 6 months old, so I've had her for more or less her entire life, 14 years

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    My other one, Frida, is a "rescue" from a younger family member who unfortunately did not provide proper care for her. She was given to me about 2 years ago and we think she's around 10 years now. She has really bad MBD in her front legs and is missing the toes from those legs from stuck shed. She was extremely thin when I first got her but is doing much better now, her colors are brighter and she is much more active. She is difficult to feed and refuses food often but seems genuinely happier and healthy, which is all I care about

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    Ah, moving is very stressful, going through the same thing here with a 3 day drive!

    It is always good to be a bit paranoid! I wish you well with your old but just as beautiful leos. What suppliment regime did you pick, would you like a schedule?
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    I feel you, I'll be driving from CA to PA

    And thanks! I'll be switching to the regime you mentioned with the Repashy, and yes, if you have a schedule that would be great!

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    I am driving from UT to NY!

    Here is the schedule;

    Weekly Schedule for Leos 12 months old & under
    Modified for Repashy

    Crickets or dubia >> Monday - Repashy Calcium Plus
    Crickets or duba >> Tuesday
    Mealworms >> Wednesday - Repashy Calcium Plus
    Crickets or dubia >> Thursday -
    Crickets or dubia >> Friday - Repashy Calcium Plus
    Mealworms >> Saturday - plain precipitated calcium carbonate without D3
    No food or free choice >> Sunday

    Future weeks:
    Continue on since all weeks are identical. . . . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoppyDear View Post
    I am driving from UT to NY!

    Here is the schedule;

    Weekly Schedule for Leos 12 months old & under
    Modified for Repashy

    Crickets or dubia >> Monday - Repashy Calcium Plus
    Crickets or duba >> Tuesday
    Mealworms >> Wednesday - Repashy Calcium Plus
    Crickets or dubia >> Thursday -
    Crickets or dubia >> Friday - Repashy Calcium Plus
    Mealworms >> Saturday - plain precipitated calcium carbonate without D3
    No food or free choice >> Sunday

    Future weeks:
    Continue on since all weeks are identical. . . . . .
    I know @acpart uses Repashy Calcium Plus multivitamins. Maybe she'll chime in about schedules she uses for her different aged leos.

    Here's a link comparing many multivitamins: Gecko Multivitamins
    Last edited by Elizabeth Freer; 07-25-2017 at 02:01 PM.
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    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside a vivarium <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)
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    I feed all my geckos on Tuesday Thursday and Saturday (the babies get enough mealworms to have something to eat every day and I check them on off days). I dust with Repashy calcium plus every other feeding. I keep plain calcium without D3 in the hatchling cages because I did find that a few were developing MBD without it. No one has shown any signs of MBD since I started doing that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acpart View Post
    I feed all my geckos on Tuesday Thursday and Saturday (the babies get enough mealworms to have something to eat every day and I check them on off days). I dust with Repashy calcium plus every other feeding. I keep plain calcium without D3 in the hatchling cages because I did find that a few were developing MBD without it. No one has shown any signs of MBD since I started doing that.

    Aliza
    Your leo babies seem to be getting Repashy's Calcium Plus @ potentially 2-4 feedings per week. Do they usually have leftover dusted mealies from the day before? If not, do you dust again when you refill their bowls?

    About how old are your babies when they are fed less often?

    What I'm looking for is a schedule comparable to Zoo Med's supplements. They have more calcium per dose than Repashy's Calcium Plus does. Repashy's Calcium Plus contains similar vitamin D3 and less vitamin A.


    EDIT:
    Zoo Med's Reptivite contains vitamin A -- 220,264 IU/kg
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    "If you can hear crickets, it's still summer." ;)

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    Follow you home"

    Click: Leo Care Sheet's Table of Contents

    ===> No plain calcium, calcium with D3, or multivitamins inside a vivarium <===

    Oedura castelnaui ~ Lepidodactylus lugubris ~ Phelsuma barbouri ~ Ptychozoon kuhli ~ Cyrtodactylus peguensis zebraicus ~ Phyllurus platurus ~ Eublepharis macularius ~ Correlophus ciliatus ~ (L kimhowelli) ~ (P tigrinus) ~ (P klemmeri) ~ (H garnotii)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elizabeth Freer View Post
    Your leo babies seem to be getting Repashy's Calcium Plus @ potentially 2-4 feedings per week. Do they usually have leftover dusted mealies from the day before? If not, do you dust again when you refill their bowls?

    About how old are your babies when they are fed less often?

    What I'm looking for is a schedule comparable to Zoo Med's supplements. They have more calcium per dose than Repashy's Calcium Plus does. Repashy's Calcium Plus contains similar vitamin D3 and less vitamin A.


    EDIT:
    Zoo Med's Reptivite contains vitamin A -- 220,264 IU/kg
    I used to feed the baby leopard geckos daily. I have discovered that it's easier for me to give them enough mealworms at the 3x/week feedings so there are some available every day. I sprinkle Repashy on the mealworms every other feeding. It's likely that the mealworms ingest some of the calcium and it gets into the leos that way, as well as the calcium that's on the mealworms from the dusting. However, the calcium does eventually rub off the mealworms, so it's really impossible to know exactly how many times a week they are getting calcium. All I know is that I've been doing this since 2009 and, with the addition of a small amount of plain calcium in the youngest hatchlings' cages, everyone has been healthy.

    Aliza
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