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    Hey! I'm just new to this forum.
    I'd love to keep posting around as I'm very interested in geckos, but as of now I really need advice on the leo gecko I plan on getting.

    Long story short, after a few years I'm ready to get a gecko, but its difficult to find breeders in my area.
    I found a guy who has some babies and I fell in loooove with one of them(attached photos):
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    Problem is, when I ask how old they are, dude says it's 5 months old.
    Says he's kept them without heat these months, to mimic the winter temps (although here it's mostly hot all year so I'm not worried about them freezing), but that it's never under 21C in his home.
    Here I ask him, "aren't them too small for that age though?", so he says he's a vet and that they're full healthy.

    After that he sends me a video where the babies look pretty active, and overall they look healthy tbh, no stuck shed, not skinny, doesn't seem like they're lacking calcium,,, just looking too young for that age. But I don't know what to do. Five months sound like too much time for "brumation" and the conditions arent as for brumation either, so, Im in fear I get it and it never develops correctly...

    So... any help with that? Also I have no idea what morph it is, he mentions mack snow tremper albino, but it's much darker than its siblings so I'm guessing its just a plain mack snow?:
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    I gotta go get it next day 28th if everything is alright. Thank you beforehand!!
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    Welcome to GU! The single one in the picture is likely a Mack Snow. That means it hatched black and white and is now beginning to yellow up, which is not unusual. It is definitely not a Tremper albino, since it has black, not beige markings. Hopefully he told you it was "het for Tremper albino" meaning that it has a (recessive) gene for Tremper albino but does not have the 2 genes it would take to show the characteristic. It can also be called "aberrant" because the body bands are broken from the usual side to side stripe pattern and the tail bands are not. Leopard geckos vary widely in how much weight they gain and how fast they gain it. To me it looks a bit small for a 5 month old, but that doesn't mean it isn't. I hope this info is helpful. Feel free to show the breeder my post.

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    Thank you so much for that info!!

    I had no idea about that "aberrant" thing! Honestly I'm so in love with how it looks, and can't wait to see how the markings develop.
    Do all mack snow tend to yellow later or could it stay mostly black and white?

    I am mostly scared about them being too small and that causing health problems or deficiencies. But I think I'm gonna give it a go unless I can find another breeder who gives me more confidence on that matter.

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    Unfortunately most of them tend to yellow up. It's too bad because I've hatched some stunners that ended up yellow and black. However, the scant, bold markings on this one indicate that it will look great as an adult, just not white. The good news is that the gecko looks proportional, i.e. not with an overly skinny tail.

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    "Problem is, when I ask how old they are, dude says it's 5 months old.
    Says he's kept them without heat these months, to mimic the winter temps (although here it's mostly hot all year so I'm not worried about them freezing), but that it's never under 21C in his home.
    Here I ask him, "aren't them too small for that age though?", so he says he's a vet and that they're full healthy."
    I'm concerned about this comment. Sometimes we have to trust our "gut feelings"! Proving that he is a vet should be easy. What type vet?

    Maybe you should look elsewhere?

    What temperatures has he been keeping these leos at 24/7? A leopard gecko needs belly heat to digest their bugs and worms. Maybe you already know this, because I notice you may be getting heat cables.

    Temperatures - A temperature gradient from warm to cool maintains your leo's health. Here's a temperature guide for all leopard geckos as measured with the probe of a digital thermometer or a temp gun (and controlled by a thermostat set at 91*F/32.8*C):
    • 88-92 F (31.1-33.3 C) ground temperature right underneath a leo's warm dry hide
    • no greater than 82ish F (27.8ish C) air temperature - 4 inches above ground on the warm end
    • no greater than 75 F (23.9 C) air temperature - 4 inches above ground on the cool end

    Leave the UTH on 24/7. At night turn off overhead lighting/heating (~12 hours on and ~12 hours off) unless ambient room temperatures drop lower than 67ish*F (19.4*C).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elizabeth Freer View Post
    I'm concerned about this comment. Sometimes we have to trust our "gut feelings"! Proving that he is a vet should be easy. What type vet?

    Maybe you should look elsewhere?

    What temperatures has he been keeping these leos at 24/7? A leopard gecko needs belly heat to digest their bugs and worms. Maybe you already know this, because I notice you may be getting heat cables.
    He didn't say what type vet he "is", and even seemed offended after I said they look too small and that I was just worried, being my first gecko and not being prepared to properly care of an ill one... which to me just makes things even less trustworthy.
    Had he just patiently informed me on the subject or given me more info about how he keeps them that way, I wouldn't be worried about it! But all info he's given is "I keep them without heat because they slow their growth during colder months, and also temp never goes under 21 here" which at the same time sounds contradictory, and the conditions dont even correspond with brumation soooo...

    Not gonna lie, I liked a lot that baby and was hoping someone said it sounds good, but my feeling is that they're not well kept and I prefer to not to have my first gecko die or something. If sounds weird to you, it's what I needed to discard that breeder.

    I've been all week looking for other breeders in the area but it's quite difficult, I'm now contacting people from other places of the country hoping that they do ship in good conditions.
    Also I have a little trip this week, so I'll also search breeders on that area and prepare a pack for a 5h trip in case I find one!


    (And thanks for the information on temps!!!)
    Sorry that I write a lot!! Woah. XD
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    Most people don't brumate (keep without heat in the winter) leopard geckos and no one does that to juveniles, so I think your instincts are good. If you have the money to spend, you can have the gecko shipped. There are safe and responsible ways to do that. I have had success both buying and selling via morphmarket.com so you may want to check there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acpart View Post
    Most people don't brumate (keep without heat in the winter) leopard geckos and no one does that to juveniles, so I think your instincts are good. If you have the money to spend, you can have the gecko shipped. There are safe and responsible ways to do that. I have had success both buying and selling via morphmarket.com so you may want to check there.

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    Thanks!! Yep, at first I was like "mhhh it could make sense" but after getting more info about brumation it was clear it's not right.
    I've checked that website but unfortunately there aren't available geckos anywhere in Europe, it seems they don't use it as much here

    However, I just got contacted by one of the shops I had sent an email and they showed me these two cuties!!! They haven't told me about the morphs, though, but theyre trustworthy, and look at the cuties! I can't even decide.
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    My gecko was a little guy at 8 months...between 8-10 months his size really took off. He'll be one year in May and he almost looks adult to me now.
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    Nice looking geckos from the pet store. The top one looks like an albino stripe and the other one looks like a possible Mack snow (blurry picture). I see the white of the belly goes fairly high up the sides, so you should check to see if it's a White & Yellow. I didn't realize you were in Europe (I guess I should have looked more carefully at the profile information).

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